Rockets hitting Jerusalem

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by shazeep

sure, definitely. For all the good it will do. It is to miss the point. Treat the Palestinians fairly, and hamas will go away. This is not advice for you (us) of course, but for those whose business it is. God plainly stated that Muslims exist to resist Jews; follow that to its conclusion.

Where did God say that?

[shazeep]

He told Abraham this--that Ishmael's heirs would strive against Isaac's...i'm not on the right pc to search it, maybe someone can help here.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

He told Abraham this--that Ishmael's heirs would strive against Isaac's...i'm not on the right pc to search it, maybe someone can help here.

Yes, I've always understood Ishmael's heirs were the Muslim people.

“We, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh [Ishmael] persecuted him that was born after the Spirit [Isaac], even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman [Hagar], but of the free [Sarah].” (Gal. 4:28-31)

"The Islamic holiday, Qurbani Id (or Id Al-Adha), is known as the “Sacrifice Festival.” Muslims celebrate this “great feast of sacrifice” on the tenth day of the last month of the Muslim year. According to their doctrinal scheme, this day celebrates the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son by Hagar, Ishmael."

https://www.christiancourier.com/art...hmael%20Muslim

[n david]

Ishmael's descendants were the Palestinians, not a religious sect like Muslims. The OT shows the conflict between the Jews and Palestinians, which continues today. There isn't one mention in the Bible of "Muslims."

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Ishmael's descendants were the Palestinians, not a religious sect like Muslims. The OT shows the conflict between the Jews and Palestinians, which continues today. There isn't one mention in the Bible of "Muslims."

93% of Palestinians are Muslim (Sunni), from what I understand.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

please see that you are mixing nations with countries.

Im mixing nations with countries

Country
1.a state or nation: What European countries have you visited?
2.the territory of a nation.
3.the people of a district, state, or nation: The whole country backed the president in his decision.
4.the land of one's birth or citizenship.
5.rural districts, including farmland, parkland, and other sparsely populated areas, as opposed to cities or towns: Many city dwellers like to spend their vacations in the country.

I don't think Jews are terrorists--even the older, conservative ones i met were unsettled at all the land confiscation being conducted by their leaders. Israel is not the Jews; there are even non-Jews in the idf.

Is Hamas a Terrorist group?

There is a LOT of hatred aimed at Jews worldwide. Your kind of conspiracy driven phobia feeds into their hatred. Many that hate jews and commit violence will cite the same stuff about the Jews not being real Jews or the stuff about the Rothchilds

It's a repeat of History. And the nation of Israel can't catch a break because of it.

Look at History again.

Sound familiar?

On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine - Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on May 2 it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state.[11] The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.[12][13][14] The 10 months of fighting, interrupted by several truce periods, took place mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon.[15]

Israel didn't occupy Gaza or the West Bank at this time. That land was being controlled by Arabs. Each time Israel took land as the result of war.

Israel is defending itself. Hamas does not want peace. They want to destroy Israel and all Jews in total. That is their charter

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

sure, definitely. For all the good it will do. It is to miss the point. Treat the Palestinians fairly, and hamas will go away. This is not advice for you (us) of course, but for those whose business it is. God plainly stated that Muslims exist to resist Jews; follow that to its conclusion.

For all the good it will do? So what makes you believe condemning Israel will do good?

God never said Muslims exist to resist Jews.

Treat them fairly how? Open the borders so more suicide bombers can come through? See? You just made my point. "treat us fairly" means "give us the means to kill more of you and then we will be happy"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

sure, definitely. For all the good it will do. It is to miss the point. Treat the Palestinians fairly, and hamas will go away. This is not advice for you (us) of course, but for those whose business it is. God plainly stated that Muslims exist to resist Jews; follow that to its conclusion.

So these are Jews after all we are talking about, not the government of Israel?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

iow, let's get mired in the details on some little branch, not even on our own tree.

IOW, you don't really have a counter point.

They do suicide bombings because they are brainwashed just as the Kamikazes were

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i have taken an extreme position here, but for me it is as simple as combining the truths that satan runs the world, history is written by the victors, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We are sternly warned against human government, in 1Sam8, and many other places, so none of this should be a surprise. For me, this thread is the equivalent of peering into a heroin addict's injecting into the site of an open wound, wadr.

Uh...huh? What is your point?