Television Issue!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh, I absolutely think it SHOULD be changed and people within the system SHOULD fight for change. But while they're fighting for change, they should do exactly what they sign an oath to do. If a licensed minister owns a TV while swearing he won't, he actually DOES have a problem with TV! UP10 is right in his comparison of the internet and TV. But until the wording is changed it's an outright lie to sign having no intention of obeying.

Well... there wouldn't be anyone left within the system to fight for that change IF they actually practiced the affirmation statement. It's not just about them not having a TV. Isn't it also about them believing and preaching and teaching against TV? If someone didn't believe TV was wrong or wouldn't preach that it was wrong then it appears that person shouldn't sign the affirmation statement... which would leave only those who do believe and preach TV is wrong to sign it. Thus, no inside change would happen. So maybe ya can be a little more lenient on the belief and preaching against aspects of the affirmation statement?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You never left the UPC? I must have you confused with someone else then

I never said they don't mind. In fact I said the opposite. I said that is their opinion

Once again NOW is showing he has lost his grasp of the English language

an OPINION is not a rule

Yes, Prax, I left the UPC. I think that's pretty clear. But I never left the local church. Still there.

OPINION????? hahahahahahahahha

"Furthermore because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church.”

“Inasmuch as the United Pentecostal Church International has taken a positive stand against television as an instrument of Satan to defile the church with worldliness through the viewing of movies........"

THAT'S AN OPINION????

You should do standup comedy. You're funny.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Nope, not at all. The local church did everything possible to take care of me. And it's not my "former church." We're still cranking along just fine. There have been lots of obstacles, still have great challenges, but I'm still there.

So you still attend a UPC?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, Prax, I left the UPC. I think that's pretty clear. But I never left the local church. Still there.

OPINION????? hahahahahahahahha

"Furthermore because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church.”

“Inasmuch as the United Pentecostal Church International has taken a positive stand against television as an instrument of Satan to defile the church with worldliness through the viewing of movies........"

THAT'S AN OPINION????

You should do standup comedy. You're funny.

Wow..yeah in fact that IS an opinion.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Well... there wouldn't be anyone left within the system to fight for that change IF they actually practiced the affirmation statement. It's not just about them not having a TV. Isn't it also about them believing and preaching and teaching against TV? If someone didn't believe TV was wrong or wouldn't preach that it was wrong then it appears that person shouldn't sign the affirmation statement... which would leave only those who do believe and preach TV is wrong to sign it. Thus, no inside change would happen. So maybe ya can be a little more lenient on the belief and preaching against aspects of the affirmation statement?

Yes, that's true. And it's that clause that caused me to send back my oath unsigned (they sent me a license anyway, which I returned). I didn't own one, wasn't going to get one, but I could not swear to preach and teach against it. For one thing, I was an assistant at the time and it wasn't my place. Secondly, I wouldn't preached against something that I didn't have a problem with.

Many argued, in fact, Paul Price here in the Western District, said the oath was nothing more than what we had already agreed to. But that's not true. The requirement to "Preach and teach" against certain specific things was never a part of being licensed or fellowshipped.

That one sentence was a devastating change for MANY people.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So you still attend a UPC?

No, of course not. Outside of funerals, I haven't been to a UPC church service since 1993.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So you still attend a UPC?

I'm gathering that he's the pastor and his church left the UPC, but he remains in the same church as pastor.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I'm gathering that he's the pastor and his church left the UPC, but he remains in the same church as pastor.

Yes, but don't give it away just yet! Prax is struggling with that and I wanna see how long it takes him to figure it out.

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I'm gathering that he's the pastor and his church left the UPC, but he remains in the same church as pastor.

That's what I'm thinking too!

Also, I never thought that this thread would end up being this long! LOL

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

No, of course not. Outside of funerals, I haven't been to a UPC church service since 1993.

Right, so you left the UPC and were scorned by those in the UPC right? And is is why you try to return the favor to anyone else that still attends a UPC?