Did God use evolution to create life

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Adam was created by God fully developed as a human, Eve was made by God from Adam's rib, therefore neither one had mothers, so it is obvious that being the mother of all living souls means all those who were not directly created by God (Adam and Eve).

Exactly. But you just created one exception for the rule that Eve is the mother of all living. Are you sure there are no other exceptions?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Randy, how can be so so sure that car didn't skid at a rate of 1/1,000,000th of an inch for 4 billion years and finally strike the tree?

Secondly, your "theory" doesn't take into account the possible effects of a cataclysmic global flood.

Which, if I remember correctly, neither you, nor Pelathias believe the flood account found in Genesis either.

We can know that the car didn't skid for 4 billion years because the grass would have grown to cover the tracks faster than the tracks were being made.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

As I pointed out, you and Timmy suffer from the same affliction. You read the Bible from a Fundamentalist view point. For this reason, you both err. Because you both will then go and reach different conclusions as to whether or not you should accept the Bible's message is irrelevant.

My "affliction" is that I believe the Bible for wha it says. I really can't understand why someone would study the Bible if they didn't believe it to be reliable or accurate to what it says. I have an even harder time believing that the same person would accept the same to be the inspired, inerrant Word of God. I believe your taking your liberalism too far, and in the end you will have the same view of the Bible that Not4Sale has, effectively leaving you with no source of divine authority, but your own conscience. I hope I'm wrong, but you seem dead set comitted to defend scientific THEORIES rather than admit what scripture actually does teach.

Originally Posted by pelathais

You erred with your hermeneutics.

Lets see, the Bible says 6 days, I believe it to be just that. 6 days to you means approximately 4.23 billion years. Hermeneutics?

Originally Posted by pelathais

And what is that last comment supposed to mean? Do you continue to taunt?

No, not a taunt, a warning. You are trading the widsom of God for the foolishness of the world.

I haven't called you a non christian. I have not insulted you. I have not taunted you, and I have not attacked you.

I have said you are doing violence to the scripture with your doctrine which is based on Darwin, and that you are erring in following wordly "wisdom" and rejecting the clear testimony of scripture. I have a problem with the doctrine you are promoting, not necessarily with you. But your sharpness is indeed disappointing.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The sad fact of the matter is you are the one who pops in and pontificates, blasting away at those who don't see it just as you do.

Really? What is the comment in reference to.

AFF has its typical liberals. They want freedom of speech, but then when someone states their more conservative opinion, all of a sudden they're a pontificating fool.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Randy, how can be so so sure that car didn't skid at a rate of 1/1,000,000th of an inch for 4 billion years and finally strike the tree?

Secondly, your "theory" doesn't take into account the possible effects of a cataclysmic global flood.

Which, if I remember correctly, neither you, nor Pelathias believe the flood account found in Genesis either.

One real world analogy is the Hawaiian islands. We see where the hot spot under the Earths crust has slowly been moving under the Pacific ocean leaving a trail. The current state of Hawaii is where it is currently located but it has been moving for many millions of years and we can see its path.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The bible never says that Eve is the mother of all living souls. That is an interpretation of scripture coadie. Learn the difference. I can just as easily interpret that to mean that Eve is the Mother of all living things. Which is the correct interpretation? Who knows? But trying to make major arguments off such a subjective verse that even you and Gary have to explain sure doesn't seem like a solid approach.

are you telling me people do not have souls?
Do you have a soul?

I take it you are unable to use scripture to interpret scripture.
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Seems to me if God says this

21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Now it is in your court te prove why she would be like her husband/help meet and not have a soul.

For extra points, God told them to replentish the earth, can you show me using scripture how their offspring do not have souls. Are the offspring the same kind?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

One real world analogy is the Hawaiian islands. We see where the hot spot under the Earths crust has slowly been moving under the Pacific ocean leaving a trail. The current state of Hawaii is where it is currently located but it has been moving for many millions of years and we can see its path.

Randy how do we KNOW it has been moving for millions of years. All of this stuff is simply based on what people THINK but not what people KNOW.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

One real world analogy is the Hawaiian islands. We see where the hot spot under the Earths crust has slowly been moving under the Pacific ocean leaving a trail. The current state of Hawaii is where it is currently located but it has been moving for many millions of years and we can see its path.

It has? Tell us who plotted the location millions of years ago.



I will call my friend who is a Geophysicist with Exxon and let him know. His sesmic budget is millions on millions and he doesn't belive it.

I am finding more and more exploration geologists that have reaserch budgets and have records see the massive contradiction in many old earth claims.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

My "affliction" is that I believe the Bible for wha it says. I really can't understand why someone would study the Bible if they didn't believe it to be reliable or accurate to what it says. I have an even harder time believing that the same person would accept the same to be the inspired, inerrant Word of God. I believe your taking your liberalism too far, and in the end you will have the same view of the Bible that Not4Sale has, effectively leaving you with no source of divine authority, but your own conscience. I hope I'm wrong, but you seem dead set comitted to defend scientific THEORIES rather than admit what scripture actually does teach.
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The fact that you don't understand does not negate the reality and truth of the matter. Just because you want to dismiss reality and the world that some how appears to exist around us doesn't mean that this world doesn't exist.

I came at this from a YEC and Fundamentalist background. I was come from a background where 6 generations of my paternal ancestors were preachers (skipping my father's generation - and his on again and off again atheism gave me plenty to think about). When I couldn't even address the tough questions I was being asked in my ministry with the tools that Fundamentalism gave me, I didn't throw out the Bible. I rejected Fundamentalism.

Big difference.

You appear to equate Fundamentalism with "The Word of God." You demand literalism - try this:

Reconcile the contradiction between Genesis 1:24-27 and Genesis 2:18-20 concerning just who was created first, the man or the animals? Give a literal explanation for that problem. Remember, both accounts have to be LITERAL.

Then, turn to Matthew 27:9. Literally, how do you interpret this verse? Did "Jeremy the prophet" actually pen Zechariah 11:12-13?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Randy how do we KNOW it has been moving for millions of years. All of this stuff is simply based on what people THINK but not what people KNOW.

This is circular reasoning. Science requires actual observation. Extrapolation back in time is very dangerous.

Circular is in dating. How old are the fossils? 10 milion yeqars. How do you know, the rock is that old. How do you know the rock is that old? the fossils are that old

http://animals.nationalgeographic.co...oelacanth.html

The primitive-looking coelacanth (pronounced SEEL-uh-kanth) was thought to have gone extinct with the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. But its discovery in 1938 by a South African museum curator on a local fishing trawler fascinated the world and ignited a debate about how this bizarre lobe-finned fish fits into the evolution of land animals.

Extinct 65 million years ago and still around today. Lie for the cause of darwin. We have no honest reason to believe 65 million years.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The fact that you don't understand does not negate the reality and truth of the matter. Just because you want to dismiss reality and the world that some how appears to exist around us doesn't mean that this world doesn't exist.

I came at this from a YEC and Fundamentalist background. I was come from a background where 6 generations of my paternal ancestors were preachers (skipping my father's generation - and his on again and off again atheism gave me plenty to think about). When I couldn't even address the tough questions I was being asked in my ministry with the tools that Fundamentalism gave me, I didn't throw out the Bible. I rejected Fundamentalism.
Big difference.

You appear to equate Fundamentalism with "The Word of God." You demand literalism - try this:
Reconcile the contradiction between Genesis 1:24-27 and Genesis 2:18-20 concerning just who was created first, the man or the animals? Give a literal explanation for that problem. Remember, both accounts have to be LITERAL.

Then, turn to Matthew 27:9. Literally, how do you interpret this verse? Did "Jeremy the prophet" actually pen Zechariah 11:12-13?

The dismiss reality strawman!


What is fundamentalism? Darwin fundies?