Modesty as described by the General Youth Division - Page 22

MissBrattified · #**211** 01-23-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Phenomenal post, Miss B.

Actually, I would not say that at all, and I'm not interested in laying down rules for people. I really don't care how oddly someone wears their hair.

Well, you'll have to forgive a bit of hyperbole on my part. It made for a good post, putting words in your mouth.

I don't feel that you're truly being judgmental, AQP. I know you're just pointing out the inconsistencies, and they do exist, and when a large group of us is gathered, they are more glaring than usual.

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My point has been to point out the contradictions from the pulpit. In the doctrine. The preachers get behind the pulpit and yell and scream about modesty, but their modesty has very limited definitions.

I'm simply pointing out the contradictions that those around us are going to see. I've always felt SO STUPID explaining to people why I don't wear a wedding ring, when I know they can look at our culture and say....hmmmmmm. Okay, so you don't believe in jewelry, because you don't believe in drawing attention to yourself, you don't believe in adornment, you don't believe in being ostentatious. Okayyyyyyy.

That's all. I'm just pointing out the double standard. If someone wants to wear a barrel-curled beehive 3 feet high, knock yourself out. But please don't try, at the same time, to tell someone that you don't believe in adornment. It just makes no sense.

I agree 100%.

*AQuietPlace* · #**212** 01-23-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is probably where you and I differ. I don't need it and it doesn't help me sort out anything. It just feels disfunctional and huge disunity at times. LOL!

I'm another one who needs it, P.O. so just know that these threads serve a purpose, and don't take it so personally.

MissBrattified · #**213** 01-23-2010, 11:17 AM

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This is probably where you and I differ. I don't need it and it doesn't help me sort out anything. It just feels disfunctional and huge disunity at times. LOL!

It does to me, too, after awhile, especially if there are a lot of "stinky bombs" as you put it.

Generally, though, I get a good measure of personal profit from these threads, which is why I keep coming back. Hannah and I are going through an issue right now, and without spilling the details, it is a REAL struggle to keep my personal integrity and not give in the peer pressure to conform her into a little Pentecostal, as far as appearances go. Especially since I know with some anguish that there are benefits she may miss out on if she doesn't conform. My job is to help form her into a Christian, plain and simple. God help me! And God help me not hate people who will no doubt hurt her if she doesn't choose a certain, predetermined path.

To come here and discuss it helps me turn around and meet my real day with a measure of calm and poise, having already figured out what I need to say here or there.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed that we are supposed to avoid being conformed to the world, but nothing was ever said (that I'm aware of) about conforming to the image of the church.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

*AQuietPlace* · #**214** 01-23-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It does to me, too, after awhile, especially if there are a lot of "stinky bombs" as you put it.

Generally, though, I get a good measure of personal profit from these threads, which is why I keep coming back. Hannah and I are going through an issue right now, and without spilling the details, it is a REAL struggle to keep my personal integrity and not give in the peer pressure to conform her into a little Pentecostal, as far as appearances go. Especially since I know with some anguish that there are benefits she may miss out on if she doesn't conform. My job is to help form her into a Christian, plain and simple. God help me! And God help me not hate people who will no doubt hurt her if she doesn't choose a certain, predetermined path.

To come here and discuss it helps me turn around and meet my real day with a measure of calm and poise, having already figured out what I need to say here or there.

Amazing, Miss B. I'm going through the SAME thing with one of my daughters.

Pressing-On · #**215** 01-23-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It does to me, too, after awhile, especially if there are a lot of "stinky bombs" as you put it.

Generally, though, I get a good measure of personal profit from these threads, which is why I keep coming back.

I can agree with this. There is some measure of personal profit on some discussions.

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I wonder if anyone else has noticed that we are supposed to avoid being conformed to the world, but nothing was ever said (that I'm aware of) about conforming to the image of the church.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Well, I certainly wouldn't try to get that conformity from such a diverse group as this. If what someone says lines up with what I feel I have received from God through His Spirit and Word - then yes - it is personal profit. Except for some political issues, I believe my thoughts would align more with Stew than anyone.

He will be happy to know that I am not happy that Sarah Palin is campaigning for McCain's senatorial seat in AZ. He needs to retire. He's a Rhino. I respect his service to our country and believe that he would keep our country safe, but some of his other stances, while better than Obama, would not make for good sound Conservative principles. So there, Stew! We are walking in total unity today! LOL!

MissBrattified · #**216** 01-23-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Amazing, Miss B. I'm going through the SAME thing with one of my daughters.

I had a woman in our church recently remark to me, in a way that was rather startling, "Sarah is the one you have to worry about--those quiet ones, you just never know." She went on to tell me how her daughter had gotten up one Sunday morning and chopped her hair off at the ears, and how she made her come to church anyway, and she sat sullen on the back row. Of course, she was no longer used in any capacity, and that shutting out I'm sure added to the demise of her church experience. "Sarah reminds me of ________.", she said. I could only smile and nod, feeling a little sick, and feeling tears starting to form (not just because of her comments, but thinking that her daughter had been treated unfairly). I thought several thoughts: Sarah won't know to rebel in that way, because I've refused to tell her that cutting her hair is a sin, and, I thought, I will NOT treat my children as second class citizens, dragging them to the altar as if they've fornicated if they happen to put on some mascara. And I felt scared, wondering if I'm doing the right thing.

Of course, I didn't tell her that she has them backwards--that Hannah's really the quiet one. LOL!!!

Pressing-On · #**217** 01-23-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I'm another one who needs it, P.O. so just know that these threads serve a purpose, and don't take it so personally.

I agree with MB that some discussions have a measure of personal gain. "Some" is a fraction. LOL!

*AQuietPlace* · #**218** 01-23-2010, 11:38 AM

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I agree with MB that some discussions have a measure of personal gain. "Some" is a fraction. LOL!

For you. They have had a lot for me.

Many of them, not all. I just close out the ones that have no benefit for me.

DAII · #**219** 01-23-2010, 11:41 AM

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For you. They have had a lot for me.

Many of them, not all. I just close out the ones that have no benefit for me.

PO has been directed about her right to exercise the ignore or log out buttons before .... but would rather languish and wail in agony ....

DAII · #**220** 01-23-2010, 11:43 AM

MB,

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Daniel would say, "No duct tape or clown suits, or anything that looks like it ...

Nope ... ain't my standard ... nor on a prohibitive clotheline list in my Articles of Faith or a condition for fellowship.

No doubt, the outlandish, flamboyant, attention-getting choice to go worship in clown attire was done in good humor .... while not part of a contest, or a costume party, or a show you "Apostolic Spirit" function but rather a parody and reflection of what these worship events have become while complying to the groups' accepted code of modesty ... it is as you have so aptly stated ... this is more about the morees, fashion customs and values of a sub-culture than a testament to true apostolic Holiness.