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06-24-2009, 04:06 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Huh? He was GS in '93
What are you talking about that he wouldn't have allowed to have passed? The AS or the advertising on TV?
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the advertising on tv because of the division it would and did cause
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06-24-2009, 04:11 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
Where is all this advertising at I have yet to see anything UPC related on tv I see plenty of latter day saints which I like there commercials cause they are always focusing towards family...
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06-24-2009, 04:11 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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I take umbrage with the accusation that a high ranking official lied to facilitate the passing of the resolution that implemented the Affirmation Statement.
I was personally in a meeting where that godly brother apologized for the impression his words gave. He may have expressed himself poorly on the General Conference floor, but I reject the assertion that he lied.
Whether or not the procedure was questionable is a moot point. There has been ample time and opportunity to rescind the Affirmation Resolution, and the will of the body has been to retain it.
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there have been other questionable tactics also like the time my son on law was at one of the gcs when the tv issue was voted down and then after a bunch of people got up and left because that was the issue they showed up to take a stand on then their was an attempt to bring it back to the floor for another vote after many opponets left dirty politics i believe its called
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06-24-2009, 04:20 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Where is all this advertising at I have yet to see anything UPC related on tv I see plenty of latter day saints which I like there commercials cause they are always focusing towards family...
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no one can afford it ? i dont know, which makes it even worse with the divsion it caused
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06-24-2009, 04:38 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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no one can afford it ? i dont know, which makes it even worse with the divsion it caused
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Well, I think both camps know/knew the vote was somewhat symbolic rather than about advertising/broadcasting only.
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06-24-2009, 05:15 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Well, I think both camps know/knew the vote was somewhat symbolic rather than about advertising/broadcasting only.
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I agree. It seems like some were trying to "test the waters" to see how many within the org would be wiling to reconsider "culture related" topics (i.e: Holiness "Standards")
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06-24-2009, 05:52 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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How about Bishop Tenney?
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Jermyn,
That is a very interesting question that I am not sure anyone but him has the answer to.
On one hand he has been very open to appearing on non UPC, non Oneness television programs and occasionally preaching in a non Oneness pulpit.
On the other hand I heard a recent sermon by TFT in which he pretty much affirmed old time Pentecostal traditions on many things. (Now don't ask me when and where that sermon was because I don't remember but I listened to it online and it was within the last year or so and it may have been from BOTT). I was surprised because there has been speculation that he is a closet liberal more in line with Tommy T than the UPC.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-24-2009, 06:26 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Jermyn,
That is a very interesting question that I am not sure anyone but him has the answer to.
On one hand he has been very open to appearing on non UPC, non Oneness television programs and occasionally preaching in a non Oneness pulpit.
On the other hand I heard a recent sermon by TFT in which he pretty much affirmed old time Pentecostal traditions on many things. (Now don't ask me when and where that sermon was because I don't remember but I listened to it online and it was within the last year or so and it may have been from BOTT). I was surprised because there has been speculation that he is a closet liberal more in line with Tommy T than the UPC.
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I have always believed that Bro T is a moderate, CC1. As for preaching where he does, he's probably just using common sense and taking the true gospel to people who don't fully believe yet. I think the apostles would too.
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06-24-2009, 06:29 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Jermyn,
That is a very interesting question that I am not sure anyone but him has the answer to.
On one hand he has been very open to appearing on non UPC, non Oneness television programs and occasionally preaching in a non Oneness pulpit.
On the other hand I heard a recent sermon by TFT in which he pretty much affirmed old time Pentecostal traditions on many things. (Now don't ask me when and where that sermon was because I don't remember but I listened to it online and it was within the last year or so and it may have been from BOTT). I was surprised because there has been speculation that he is a closet liberal more in line with Tommy T than the UPC.
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Well my ipression of him from Sunday was that he was anything but a clothesline holiness preacher.
In fact, he said something that pretty much criticized the empty religiosity of the past and how that we must move on to be more effective TODAY.
He did not use all of those exact words (just some of them) but the above is what he implied to me.
And what is most interesting, personally, I am closer now to recommitting to forsaking shorts and television completely because in my church, my Pastor does not present these things as salvational. Or maybe he does I have misunderstood him.
But I know he teaches of the value of sacrifices and consecrations in your relationship with God.
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06-24-2009, 09:48 PM
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Re: Another SPLIT from the UPCI???
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Well my ipression of him from Sunday was that he was anything but a clothesline holiness preacher.
In fact, he said something that pretty much criticized the empty religiosity of the past and how that we must move on to be more effective TODAY.
He did not use all of those exact words (just some of them) but the above is what he implied to me.
And what is most interesting, personally, I am closer now to recommitting to forsaking shorts and television completely because in my church, my Pastor does not present these things as salvational. Or maybe he does I have misunderstood him.
But I know he teaches of the value of sacrifices and consecrations in your relationship with God.
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I would not want to be known as one who tries to get others to get/watch TV, however - a preacher preaching one is damned if he does... now that would be a great reason to get one - to demonstrate his teaching is far more dangerous than TV.
About shorts, if they are reasonable length, what could possibly be wrong with them?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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