Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 22

mizpeh · #**211** 07-09-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico

Mizpeh, there is no guarantee that someone who smokes will develop any sort of disease whatsoever. It increases the risk, but there's no guarantee that smoking, chewing, or dipping is going to give someone cancer. In fact, there is at least one form of tobacco use that has never been connected with cancer. It's the oldest known form of tobacco use, nasal snuff.

Rico, tobacco products harm our bodies in other ways than just causing cancer. I work in the health field and I take care of people everyday who suffer the side effects of smoking. Have you read the studies on second hand smoke? or the studies on babies who are born to smoking mothers?

Cigarettes, chewing, dipping, cigars, pipes do not have any benefit to our bodies nor are they neutral, they only harm.

Baron1710 · #**212** 07-09-2008, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Continuing in sin, with no intention of repentance, will lead to a loss of relationship with Jesus Christ.

So based on your previous statement that smoking was a sin, one who continues to smoke is unsaved?

What about men like Spurgeon who lived before there was evidence that smoking could be harmful to your health was it a sin then, or is sin only in the knowledge that it can be harmful?

mizpeh · #**213** 07-09-2008, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710

So based on your previous statement that smoking was a sin, one who continues to smoke is unsaved?

What about men like Spurgeon who lived before there was evidence that smoking could be harmful to your health was it a sin then, or is sin only in the knowledge that it can be harmful?

Have you ever smoked, Baron?

Rico · #**214** 07-09-2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Rico, tobacco products harm our bodies in other ways than just causing cancer. I work in the health field and I take care of people everyday who suffer the side effects of smoking. Have you read the studies on second hand smoke? or the studies on babies who are born to smoking mothers?

Cigarettes, chewing, dipping, cigars, pipes do not have any benefit to our bodies nor are they neutral, they only harm.

Mizpeh, I am not denying that smoking has risks associated with it. However, the use of tobacco products do not guarantee that someone will develop illness because of it. Otherwise, everyone who smokes would die from smoking related diseases.

Also, the risks vary depending on the type of tobacco use. Smoking cigarettes is the riskiest, followed by oral tobacco, followed by pipes and cigars (assuming those users don't inhale). Using tobacco nasally has never been connected with any form of cancer whatsoever, and it has been studied to death. In countries like Sweden, where oral tobacco (snus) is regulated as a food product, the incidences of cancers of the mouth are extremely low, especially when compared to stats in the US, where tobacco companies aren't regulated.

Pro31:28 · #**215** 07-09-2008, 12:22 PM

Ok Y'all let's Just get to the point here.
It is so much easier to call something that OTHER people do (especially things that don't appeal to us) Sin. It's a lot easier to defend the things that WE do as excusable ("I HAVE to eat", "I NEED my coffee", "I CAN"T sleep without my prescription meds", " I am not judging, I am Fruit inspecting".. Etc)... Ultimately God is the Judge and until some of US get the Log out of our own eye let's leave the cigarettes in theirs, alone...
Just my opinion

Baron1710 · #**216** 07-09-2008, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Have you ever smoked, Baron?

Yes, but I didn't inhale.

Brad Murphy · #**217** 07-09-2008, 12:26 PM

I wonder if people who used opium before it was illegal were sinning? Or was it just self-medicating like taking over the counter meds, etc.

Rico · #**218** 07-09-2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Yes, but I didn't inhale.

Sounds like you are either a cigar/pipe man, or a big fan of Bill Clinton.

AbundantGrace · #**219** 07-09-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

We are all sinners, shaved by Grace.

This is not a HAIR thread!

LUKE2447 · #**220** 07-09-2008, 12:30 PM

Pro31:28

true but at what point is sin not pointed out? Again as I pointed out earlier in this thread, why do many not eat after God's dietary laws? Those where given to keep us from defiling our health yet most churches today ignore them like they never mattered. Seems to me God wants to make you full in all areas of life. So to me why do we ignore God's Word when it comes to his dietary laws?