The question has to be what is life? If we use that logic then it does not matter when the heart beats...that is a life form at it's earlies and simplest stage. The next question is what sort of life form? Human? If not then it's another species and one has to believe in evolution on a grand scale....
All logic points that this is in fact a Human life form in it's earliest stage,
Admins, I'm respectfully am posting the following. If it's inappropriate, I do apologize and ask that you remove my post.
Praxeas,
What about men that "please themselves"? Are they not killing the semen? After all, it's life at its earliest stage!
If I understand what you just said, then I think that is pretty much what I just said. People make decisions all the time while drunk, yet able to make those decisions, but they are often bad decisions because the alcohol clutters their thinking....this is then the fault of the drunk person.
But if she is incapacitated to NOT give a clear answer as to yes or no...to not be able to consent by saying yes, then that is rape. Are we in agreement?
Mostly. It's a fact question as to how drunk is too drunk to give consent, and if it was given.
Admins, I'm respectfully am posting the following. If it's inappropriate, I do apologize and ask that you remove my post.
Praxeas,
What about men that "please themselves"? Are they not killing the semen? After all, it's life at its earliest stage!
It's not a human life. If you took Biology you learned that it takes the combination of chromosomes from the Human man and the Human woman to created that human life in the womb.
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Mostly. It's a fact question as to how drunk is too drunk to give consent, and if it was given.
Too drunk to give consent in the most obvious would be incapacitated to even speak or refuse. IF she is concious at any time and she does not want to do it she can resist or say no or stop or whatever. If she is so drunk that she can't resist or say no or stop etc etc then that would probably be the point that she is too drunk to give consent
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Admins, I'm respectfully am posting the following. If it's inappropriate, I do apologize and ask that you remove my post.
Praxeas,
What about men that "please themselves"? Are they not killing the semen? After all, it's life at its earliest stage!
NO. It is not the same. Every month a woman's body naturally disposes of an egg. Even in a pregnancy only one Sperm cell lives to unite with the egg. Semen doesn't have the potential of creating life, only sperm does when joined with the egg.
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