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Old 02-28-2008, 03:25 PM
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Oh boy ... methinks that does nail it down .... For months I've heard the WPF was not an organization .... the UPCI case just strengthened a bit.

Dan, are you telling me with all your research, that is the first time you saw that?
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:37 PM
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Dan, are you telling me with all your research, that is the first time you saw that?
Yep. Missed it ... I'm human, sometimes.
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:38 PM
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Yep. Missed it ... I'm human, sometimes.

Pardon me a minute...I must make a notation of the date and time.
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DA dude, you just got SCOOPED!!!!!!
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DA dude, you just got SCOOPED!!!!!!
I gotta let the little people have a crack at it too, Ferdy.
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Uh...I don't know if anyone asked this, but what are you the rest of the time?
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The local children’s chess club that meets on Friday nights near my church is also an organization. Furthermore (unlike the NCO) it is has dues, officers, bylaws and regular meetings. (And stands about as much chance as the NCO of being involved in UPCI politics.)




WWPF has a bible school, magazine, missions plan, departments, a headquarters office space, dues, benefits, bible quizzing, youth camps, and alternative meetings to the UPCI.


The NCO does not have dues, Bible School, magazine, missions plan, HQ space, benefits (like insurance), Bible quizzing, youth camps, or alternative meetings.

Furthermore it does not have ANY layers of organizational hierarchy, nor even written Articles of Faith.

It does not even have 501 (c) (3) status.

It is a fellowship, primarily web based dedicated to sharing ideas and means to propagate the gospel. Nothing more nothing less.

Legally speaking comparing it to an organization such as WWPF is a total non sequitur!!!

So not only does the NCO not have the vehicle nor the platform for such a scheme, even a most cursory reading of its articles would show it to have a decidedly non-organizational agenda. Its paradigm is relational (i.e. father-son) as opposed to organizational.

As far as "some other liberal organization" forming within the UPCI, the “I” in UPCI stands for incorporated. A formal bi-party form of government simply cannot function in its corporate bylaws. So a two party system within the UPCI just ain't happening. So by default UPCI represented by the majority electoral vote of its rank and file period. (Curiously enough the leadership of the WWPF seems to be self-coronated er appointed) Unlike the AWCF et al, the UPCI is simply not structured or equipped to handle independent organizations within its organization.

BTW AE, you’re fun. Keep thinking outside the box, you’ll come up with a winner yet.
One of the staff ministers in charge of outreach David Grigsby at Church of Champions and I are scheduled next Thursday to have dinner where we are going to swap ideas about outreach and retention. He is a great guy, referred me to a lighting/video contractor to help us in our upgrade. We talked about the NCO for a minute and he basically snorted and laughed when i flat out asked him if the NCO was a fellowship. He strongly denied it and said it was a networking group to connect pastors, nothing more. The NCO is a threat to no one, at this point its similar to the AWCF in that its primary mission is to bring apostolics together no matter the fellowship credentials. In fact the AWCF and NCO are partnering in events like the Outreach convention here in houston. It makes sense to have the networking groups network with each other?
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And your great legal insight notwithstanding, I still think there will be a legal challenge to this ruling.
One of the beautiful things about America is that anyone who feels that they have suffered a wrong can appeal to the courts for redress. One of the downsides of this is that you can also make yourself appear extremely foolish.

The WWPF has way too much spin control to do over the course of the next year to worry about frivolous lawsuits.
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One of the beautiful things about America is that anyone who feels that they have suffered a wrong can appeal to the courts for redress. One of the downsides of this is that you can also make yourself appear extremely foolish.

The WWPF has way too much spin control to do over the course of the next year to worry about frivolous lawsuits.
Pel I can see the possibility of a lawsuit, but it won't be over the evils of using TV to save the lost, it will be over real estate.

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