No lies here, bro. You're cherry picking and... uhm prevaricating. Instead of name calling, why don't you just graciously concede the point and admit that "universal health care," when it has been implemented in large countries (with populations in excess of 250 million people) has always been a failure.
And that the whole Keyensian scheme of social welfare has been a failure in Europe. It's easy to do. I will freely admit the same point- and do so without the childish name calling.
I think we could pull it off. We're Americans. Well, since Scotty stripped me of my right to call myself an American I guess I should say, you're Americans.
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I'd say that has more to do with diet than the healthcare system.
Well, I'm not convinced that's entirely the case. When you see the doctor more frequently than your American counter part, you're far more educated about your health and more likely to eat properly. People don't just wake up thinking, "I think I'll eat better than the American's today." No, in nations with universal coverage they see their doctor far more regularly than Americans do causing them to be more health conscious.
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I think we could pull it off. We're Americans. Well, since Scotty stripped me of my right to call myself an American I guess I should say, you're Americans.
Yes we are , and we americans can do it ourselves, we don't need governments help. That is what America was founded on. Freedom from government to live as we will.
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Yes we are , and we americans can do it ourselves, we don't need governments help. That is what America was founded on. Freedom from government to live as we will.ue][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
That's easy to say. I hope you never find yourself in the place millions of hardworking Americans are finding themselves in.
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Yes we are , and we americans can do it ourselves, we don't need governments help. That is what America was founded on. Freedom from government to live as we will.
that is what it used to be about.
it seems to me that now being an American is about finding someone else to be responsible for you.
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Well, I'm not convinced that's entirely the case. When you see the doctor more frequently than your American counter part, you're far more educated about your health and more likely to eat properly. People don't just wake up thinking, "I think I'll eat better than the American's today." No, in nations with universal coverage they see their doctor far more regularly than Americans do causing them to be more health conscious.
Brother, the food in this country is very much overprocessed and loaded with chemicals. The food in other countries is much "closer to the ground it came from" than what we eat. In this country fast food is king. I would very much like for you to post some examples of countries where people see their doctors more frequently than we do and where they have better access to the latest technology and medical advances.
That's easy to say. I hope you never find yourself in the place millions of hardworking Americans are finding themselves in.
find themselves in or made decisions that led them to where they are?
Like me a few years ago when I couldnt afford health coverage because I didnt finish college and had to work my way thru a tuff spot and took jobs that didnt have coverage because the long term prospects were better than taking jobs that would have had coverage but would not have had the same horizon?
found themselves in? really? that is what you are going to stick with?
Dude, we arent rich kids that were born with silver spoons in our mouths. we are hard working Middle class Americans who have worked for everything we have ever gotten and resent your team trying to take it away from us.
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Well, I'm not convinced that's entirely the case. When you see the doctor more frequently than your American counter part, you're far more educated about your health and more likely to eat properly. People don't just wake up thinking, "I think I'll eat better than the American's today." No, in nations with universal coverage they see their doctor far more regularly than Americans do causing them to be more health conscious.
You think people seeing the doctor more frequently is going to cause them to eat better???
I think the majority of Americans are well aware of the fact that they don't eat well, and that is a CHOICE they make. It has nothing to do with how often they do or do not see a doctor.
And for a personal anecdote, my husband and I rarely go to the doctor. We eat a healthy diet, exercise, have NO chronic conditions and very rarely even get a cold. We don't need a doctor to tell us how to eat or to make us conscious of our health.
it seems to me that now being an American is about finding someone else to be responsible for you.
But that's not what universal health insurance is about. I'll explain it again Ferd. Your premiums are rising higher and higher primarily because more and more people are uninsured and not able to pay their medical bills. Health care providers hand this loss down by raising the cost of care. Your insurance company has to cover that, so they raise your premiums. Ferd...the reason your premiums are so high is because your paying for those who can't pay their bills.
A Universal System is about everyone contributing something to the cost of their health care. Everyone would be paying something into the system and since providers would be being paid, they'd have no loss to hand down. Since there would be no loss to hand down, private insurers would be able to lower your premiums.
Do you like paying for millions of uninsured people with higher premiums or do you think all Americans should pay something into the system that provides them health care?
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That's easy to say. I hope you never find yourself in the place millions of hardworking Americans are finding themselves in.
You are a very fortunate American. Very few of us come from families that can afford a Canadian Lake House. If I could just get that 13% of my earnings returned to me that FDR took away, maybe I would have some savings. Oh, and I've noticed that you don't have any idea what I'm talking about when I mention that 13% of my income that's missing each week.
You see, Government employees have excempted themselves from the rapacious scouring of their Democratic Congress people. The rest of us pay that much in Social Security withholdings. You however, get to satiate yourself at the public funded trough. I can only dream of that kind of luxury.
Instead, after working hard my entire life I'll be eating Kibbles 'n Bits because Union protected Government commissars stole from me and are now sipping Moulson's with their Lefty comrades at their Canadian dachas.
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