QUESTION: DId only 72 or 225 join WPF???????

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So I assume you consider AWCF to be an organization??

St. Matt, you ought to know by now that common sense and sound reasoning are rare commodities with regard to this debate. It seems to me that few (on both sides) are willing to be unbiased in their assessment of this situation.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So I assume you consider AWCF to be an organization??

I'm not overly familiar with the AWCF particulars. Do its leaders and/or members hold credentials with the UPCI? Or is this a collection of independent apostolics?

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

I'm not overly familiar with the AWCF particulars. Do its leaders and/or members hold credentials with the UPCI? Or is this a collection of independent apostolics?

The AWCF is a "fellowship" that does not issue licenses or credentials, it does have limited departments such as youth and missions, and the basis of its formation was that one could retain membership in their respective organization, yet belong to a wider "fellowship." The AWCF boasts many UPCI members.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by bishoph

The AWCF is a "fellowship" that does not issue licenses or credentials, it does have limited departments such as youth and missions, and the basis of its formation was that one could retain membership in their respective organization, yet belong to a wider "fellowship." The AWCF boasts many UPCI members.

Thanks for the response. But perhaps you did not understand my complete question, or I was unclear.

Are the leaders of the AWCF part of the UPCI? My reason for asking is simple. The leaders of the WPF have or soon will be handing in their credentials. Also, according to the WPF Articles of Faith, the Executive Chairman if the WPF cannot belong to any other organization. This doesn't appear very inclusive as the others have been. It appears to border on exclutionary.

Although I am unfamiliar with the intricacies of the AWCF and other "fellowships" acceptible to the UPCI in the past (such as Pentecom and others), I would be surprised if they were structured any way similar.

To compare this new "fellowship" to them would seem to be comparing apples and oranges. I just want to define the terms so we can have a fruitful discussion.

[tv1a]

With the proven lies and inaccuracies from the World Pharisee Federation, I find it difficult to beleive the Tulsa Tango was a God sanction event.

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

Jesus said, "By their fruits shall ye know them." When I see men that are trying their best to stand for truth, righteousness, and holiness(inside and outside) and the presence of God moves, then yes, I take that as the approval of God upon a situation. However, when you visit meetings where you know and SEE that people are not producing the right kind of fruit, I question the spirit I feel. There is also another spirit that LOVES to mask as the spirit of God. But those who have got the REAL Holy Ghost can tell the difference between the two!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here we go again.

I so appreciate those among us who really think we are so ignorant as to buy the absolute pack-o-l...ahem...I mean purposefully erroneous reports that they post.

Ahhhhh, it seems like only yesterday that I was being told that the 2006 meeting in Houston wasn't about a new org.

And then there were widespread claims that those fine, fine, fine upstanding purveyors of ethics and truth in charge of the Tulsa meeting had no intention of starting an org.

And now we are told that even though these same super-ethical men have organized, given their "fellowship" a name, formatted a charter, incorporated as a 501c3a and mapped a "better" future than the rest of us ever dreamed - THEY ARE STILL MOST HIGH, MOST HOLY, and MOST ETHICAL.

To which I say....um....whatever dude.

They have medication for that kind of thinking.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So I assume you consider AWCF to be an organization??

It absolutely is an organization.

By both definition and practice.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It absolutely is an organization.

By both definition and practice.

I think technically they all are, because they are organized. BUT most understand that the definition of an organization would include a licensing of the constituency. Since neither the AWCF, nor the WPF issue licenses, most will consider them a fellowship, and not a "Full-fledged Organization".


Technically, yes.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think technically they all are, because they are organized. BUT most understand that the definition of an organization would include a licensing of the constituency. Since neither the AWCF, nor the WPF issue licenses, most will consider them a fellowship, and not a "Full-fledged Organization".


Technically, yes.

It concerns me that the WPF seems to have a different mission.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It concerns me that the WPF seems to have a different mission.

Since I have not read anything on them in a while other than what has been posted here, I have no idea what their mission is.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It concerns me that the WPF seems to have a different mission.

And it concerns me that the sun might be blue at noon tomorrow...

Meritless concerns abound.