Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Im pretty sure there has never been a woman District Superintendent of the UPCI. I hope there never is. Because if there is ever, it will mean that we have diminished the Bible to being “a good moral guideline” instead of the perfect word of God. If we start with women preaching, if that is okay, we will have changed the standard of how we regard the Bible. And if it’s okay here, why shouldn’t it be okay in other ways, about other subjects. I don’t like it.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Also, wherever a woman leads a man, compromise will take hold.

Two interesting comments.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Amen to this! I think it is MOST important. The role of motherhood is VERY honorable. I have personally seen it neglected to the detriment of the children. Mothers being in church every time the doors are open, involved in every ministry that they can shoehorn into their schedule, meanwhile not giving their children the attention they desperately need.

There is no higher calling of God for a mother, than raising and nurturing her children. I’m not saying that they can’t be involved in other ministries, what I AM saying is that a mother’s other ministries are FAR less important.

ABSOLUTELY

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You have a lot of different things going on in this post. What is the term "in the church" mean? 1 Corinthians 12:28, 1 Corinthians 14:19, 1 Corinthians 14:34, Ephesians 3:21, and in Acts 13:1 its a specific location. Did the Apostle mean a location, or the greater assembly? Women keeping silent would just not mean only in a building or behind a pulpit, on the platform or in the pew. But we cross throughout all aspects of Christian life. Also what is preaching? It is only reserved for the five fold ministry? Is preaching an office? Or have we given it that title mistakenly?

You have a lot of different things going on in this post.
Maybe so, yet when we get down to the heart of the matter its all about submission.

Did the Apostle mean a location, or the greater assembly?
I don't believe the physical building is the church. To me thats a meeting place, the members are the church. Now, I’m not taking down the building at all, you have to realize the physical meant a lot to the men back then, the temple was their heaven. Today we understand that we are the temple. Like I said, its a matter of the heart, if it’s going on in the church it came from the heart.

Women keeping silent would just not mean only in a building or behind a pulpit, on the platform or in the pew.
I would like to ask this as well, when Paul said that, Why? Why, would he tell the women to learn in silence, to let their husbands teach them? In my opinion that is a form of submission. Paul said in the garden the women was deceived not the man, yet the man (Adam) followed the women (Eve)??? Because of that the head of the women is the man. Why cant a women do as the Bible says and teach younger women? It even gives you your message, you dont have to pray of fast about it, its there already for you.

Also what is preaching? It is only reserved for the five fold ministry? Is preaching an office? Or have we given it that title mistakenly?
If preaching crosses the word then it is wrong. If a women desire to preach in a church, is that being silent? If a women wanted to give a bible study about becoming a preacher (sounds masculine sorry) is that in line with the word? The five fold ministry contains preaching in every office, for a women to hold that office or preach in a meeting, that can go for a home, church building, etc.. unless she is teaching younger women about there upcoming role then its wrong. Listen, you and I, and all of us know, it will not stop at the role of the wife, it will go to full blown what saith the word.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Im pretty sure there has never been a woman District Superintendent of the UPCI. I hope there never is. . . .


Amen to this! I think it is MOST important. The role of motherhood is VERY honorable. I have personally seen it neglected to the detriment of the children. Mothers being in church every time the doors are open, involved in every ministry that they can shoehorn into their schedule, meanwhile not giving their children the attention they desperately need.

There is no higher calling of God for a mother, than raising and nurturing her children. I’m not saying that they can’t be involved in other ministries, what I AM saying is that a mother’s other ministries are FAR less important.

ABSOLUTELY

I have heard preached so many times that if we reach others God will save our families, and I have watched as we lost our young people because we were too busy working outside the home and in every church ministry besides. Absolutely our homes and families are our highest calling. Yet the preacher told us that if we weren't saving the lost, we would be lost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Brother Nic, what office is Sister Nona Freeman holding?

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Freemans worked in DeRidder Louisiana?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Nic, what office is Sister Nona Freeman holding?

I'm not Brother Nic, but in my opinion she is holding the office of missionary, teacher, Mother of the Church, anointed woman of God. Like many others, she had a lot of wisdom to share, and she gave her all for the work of the Lord.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Nic, what office is Sister Nona Freeman holding?

I’m not sure which office, Bro. please if you know please share.

[Brother Adrian]

I don't believe I've ever heard of Sister Freeman before. Is she affiliated with any Apostolic denomination?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Deborah didn't lead Israel. She was a judge during a time of utter religious apostasy. Her husband was mentioned because either he was a super great guy, and he passed away. Or he was a super bad guy, and he passed away. Either way everyone knew her husband (who was the real prophet) Deborah's title as prophetess in Hebrew meant she was married to one. In a patriarchal society it would of been pretty bad to have a woman over you. Especially leading you into battle. Deborah is told by God to tell a man BARAK to go fight the enemy. Deborah even tells the guy that he already knew about this, because God told him first. But Barak didn't want to go for whatever reason. He then tells Deborah that he won't go until she comes with him. At hearing this Deborah clues Barak into the fact that God wouldn't give the victory to Barak MAN, but give the victory to a milk maid with a tent spike. Not a good look, not at all.

The case concerning 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Tim 2:12 are specifically dealing with husband and wife issues. The whole argument about females yelling across the room is not found in the Old or New Testaments. Individuals using that argument go to Talmudic Judaism of the Medieval period to offer a segregated synagogue setting was probably the cause of Paul's comments.
They point to ask husband's at home, because they look at the pulpit and audience setting in a Christain Church. The settings of the New testament church congregations are in homes. The service didn't just have a talking a head, but had elders who presented the teachings to the church. Men were also instructed to keep silence or remain calm. When the three fold witness of tongue talking and interpretation went forth from the ELDERS. Women weren't a part of this teaching, or prophysing group. Yet, women did prophesy as well as men. Just not in these situations. 1 Timothy 2:12 the apostle let's it be known that he won't even tolerate a woman having authority or teaching her husband. But she was to remain calm. 1 Corinthians 14:34 definitely cannot be considered as one event, for one specific congregation. Because the word referring to churches is plural. Therefore like the hair/vail issue was across the board to all house gatherings. Married females were commanded (not suggested) to be under obedience as was required in the the law. Therefore wives were to be subject to their own husbands, and not to the greater congregant of elders. No one was teaching someone else's wife, or children. That was the man's job. If elder older sisters were teaching females they topic of Bible study was how they were supposed to submit and love their husbands. If Philip the Evangelist's daughters prophesied and if Phil didn't want that, he could shut it down Numbers 30. But they were prophesying, spiritual utterance, could of been speaking in tongues, of just giving praise to God. But a prophet named Agabus was the one who told Paul how the cow ate the cabbage. Not the virgin daughters.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is your reason for not attending a church with a woman pastor?

It's not her role.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Also what do you think about a Woman General Superintendent?

Also not her role.