Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This?

[stmatthew]

Again, the fact that Article XIX, section 1 gives detailed procedure for affiliation, and disaffiliation, I still see you argument as moot. As long as a minister goes through the proper procedure in disaffiliating his church, he is not contradicting anything within the bylaws of the UPCI.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by ILG

Are you calling the founding fathers who wrote the statement naive?? This was their vision.

If it can be proven they actually expected 2 views of salvation to be taught, then yes, I would call them incredibly naive.
Of course, it will never be proven they actually thought that.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Again, the fact that Article XIX, section 1 gives detailed procedure for affiliation, and disaffiliation, I still see you argument as moot. As long as a minister goes through the proper procedure in disaffiliating his church, he is not contradicting anything within the bylaws of the UPCI.

Affliated church is one thing...these folks are pulling out of the UPC completely.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Even when the libs did, does that mean conservatives can? Two wrongs make a right?

How about if I ask you the same question in reverse?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Yes it worked until radical zealots broke the compact. Speak to those there.

Oh, you mean the majority of the UPCI was radical zealots? That is interesting.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by rrford

Where there are codes of ethics and men there will always be violations.

But no, the argument you and Dan are postulating holds no intellectually honest water.

I think #52 points out what's at the heart of this discussion. For years people have had to sit and listen while "conservatives" violated #52 - "I could smell those liberals when I flew over Idaho..." without the "conservatives" ever being challenged.

We had a gang of school yard bullies running through our organization who were given pretty much free reign to say and do whatever they wanted.

Do a GOOGLE search on the "UPC" and the word "cult." In every example that the so-called "anti-cult" people cite of "abuse" within the UPC it is a case where some "conservative" took the "conservative" principles and got in trouble. This has been a source of constant embarassment to people in the UPC.

Not only has this faction continually abused the saints that God has placed in their care, but they have defied the Manual and our elected leaders and heaped scorn upon everyone who didn't follow in lock step with them.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by rrford

How about if I ask you the same question in reverse?

I'm a conservative, I think that speaks for itself.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Affliated church is one thing...these folks are pulling out of the UPC completely.

Oh, like some cons and some libs have done in the past?

Serious question: Are you stating it is right or wrong to disaffiliate w/ the intent of leaving the UPCI or are you merely trying to point out what you see as an inconsistency?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Darcie

Affliated church is one thing...these folks are pulling out of the UPC completely.

Was I unethical to take my vacation on a job I had one time knowing I was going to give notice when I returned??

As long as the procedures for disaffiliation are done according to the bylaws, it really makes not a hill of beans if the preacher turns in his license afterwards. If the church is wanting to follow their God ordained Pastor, and he is going to leave the org, then they are well within their rights to disaffiliate to be able to keep him.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think #52 points out what's at the heart of this discussion. For years people have had to sit and listen while "conservatives" violated #52 - "I could smell those liberals when I flew over Idaho..." without the "conservatives" ever being challenged.

We had a gang of school yard bullies running through our organization who were given pretty much free reign to say and do whatever they wanted.

Do a GOOGLE search on the "UPC" and the word "cult." In every example that the so-called "anti-cult" people cite of "abuse" within the UPC it is a case where some "conservative" took the "conservative" principles and got in trouble. This has been a source of constant embarassment to people in the UPC.

Not only has this faction continually abused the saints that God has placed in their care, but they have defied the Manual and our elected leaders and heaped scorned upon everyone who didn't follow in lock step with them.

I wold agree with that. But I would also say the same speech comes from both sides of the fence, if you will.