The Persecution of Women in the Church

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Dora, this thread was addressing the persecution of women as a whole in the church. I didn't name any churches. All churches including those you mentioned have been biased against women, including the Islamic countries. Our women in Apostolic ranks have not experienced persecution to the extent of being thrown to the lions or being raped for their faith.
I think the individuals participating in this forum are forgetting the big picture. Thanks for bringing it back to focus. Im talking about the church as a whole. Any church could include all religions. Im not picking on any denomination or organization.
I wish people would stop trying to defend themselves and have real dialogue.

CH ... once again some have a narrow view of what they consider the REAL CHURCH ... and so their point of reference is skewed and hence ... the trench digging.

Originally Posted by Steadfast

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Gotta admit that was funny...

I didn't think it was too funny. You don't need your hand to think!!! At least I have an open mind and am interested in more than defending a puny mind!

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I said nothing there I hadn't already said or meant, so you've agreed with me all along apparently and didn't know it. Glad you finally caught up.

I'm usually the slow one. Hehe.

Dearest Felicity,

I have never thought you 'slow' in any way, shape, or form. I have thought you definitely irritatingly irrational when it comes to defending men. Of course, you have learned the secret that many of us women haven't...if you defend men they will come to your defense.

The Rhoni in me just can't forget that the men in her life have never been there for her and so she waits for a man to come along and prove that Godly men do truly exist. Do I hate men...no. Come to think about it I have a love/hate relationship with men. I hate to love them.

Your friend, Rhoni

P.S. The only reason you have found women to be disloyal is that you are a pretty and intelligent woman and you are competion. Women, as a rule. aren't loyal when there is one man for every ten or so women. Men are pretty loyal and as a rule do not infringe on another's territory - unless they are idiots:sshhh.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

I didn't think it was too funny. You don't need your hand to think!!! At least I have an open mind and am interested in more than defending a puny mind!

Let alone it was highly insensitive ... to the disabled. I'm glad someone found it funny.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

CH ... once again some have a narrow view of what they consider the REAL CHURCH ... and so their point of reference is skewed and hence ... the trench digging.

Its hard to soar with eagles when you have to knock some sense in to them first! Thanks

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Felicity

The initial post of this thread is what caught my attention and why I decided to respond.

I would like to know how women are being "persecuted" in the church today as I know it, have lived it, have experienced it and have pastored it --- "it" referring to the church.

Because a woman has been told she can't wear red or a hair bow or jewelry or makeup ..... this is supposed to constitute "persecution"? What a laugh!!

I know women and men today who are being persecuted for their faith in real terms. They're thrown into jails and prisons, suffer beatings, repeated raping, starvation and even death because of their faith. This is what I think of when I think of "persecution". I certainly never considered my pastor teaching me that I shouldn't cut my hair or wear shorts or pants as "persecution". I wouldn't consider the fact that woman isn't accepted for "ordination" as persecution either.

The fact is ....... God has set certain things in order. One of those things is order in regards to headship, and it was God Himself who established in the very beginning that the order is ....

God

Man

Woman

I didn't set it up. Neither did Adam. God did. And the principles of headship and order are seen throughout scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

Does this mean that women can't lead? No. Because we see example in scripture of women leading but always under God and under man.

I have no problem overall with male authority. I prefer male leadership. Does every man lead perfectly? No. Are there men who take advantage? Definitely. Are there poor male role models and is there poor male leadership? Absolutely.

But this was God's plan from the beginning - male authority and headship. Just because men violate their role and take advantage doesn't negate God's commands or His plan. We need to stick with the principles that have been established in God's Word when it comes to this issue and all others too, of course.

And in my own personal experience overall, the male leadership I've had in my own life personally -- and in the church too -- has been positive, affirming, encouraging, assuring and as God mandated it to be.

What a masterpiece of a post.

A big AMEN.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

What a masterpiece of a post.

A big AMEN.

Always remember just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean its not real.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

This thread bewails the stereotypical (supposedly) abused, beat down Apostolic woman.

And then there are the threads decrying the vicious, domineering Apostolic women and preacher's wives.

The real question is, are both fat slatterns wearing jean skirts and Keds tennis shoes?

CS, can you never find a good thing to say about the fact that women have sometimes been historically denigrated and that people sometimes say so?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Dearest Felicity,

I have never thought you 'slow' in any way, shape, or form. I have thought you definitely irritatingly irrational when it comes to defending men. Of course, you have learned the secret that many of us women haven't...if you defend men they will come to your defense.

The Rhoni in me just can't forget that the men in her life have never been there for her and so she waits for a man to come along and prove that Godly men do truly exist. Do I hate men...no. Come to think about it I have a love/hate relationship with men. I hate to love them.

Your friend, Rhoni

P.S. The only reason you have found women to be disloyal is that you are a pretty and intelligent woman and you are competion. Women, as a rule. aren't loyal when there is one man for every ten or so women. Men are pretty loyal and as a rule do not infringe on another's territory - unless they are idiots:sshhh.

Sister,

This is a very revealing post.

If you view interaction on this forum as some kind of male/female competition paradigm, it explains a great deal.

I honestly do not view it in that light.

If I did, I wouldn't be here.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Sister,

This is a very revealing post.

If you view interaction on this forum as some kind of male/female competition paradigm, it explains a great deal.

I honestly do not view it in that light.

If I did, I wouldn't be here.

Coonskinner,

Don't put more into the post than is stated. I know that you defend Felicity because she only posts in agreement with your sometimes ridiculous posts. I tell you if I agree and I tell you when I disagree. It is who I am. You do not have to attack me just to defend her.

BTW if you will do a little research on the glass-ceiling effect, as well as the roles and denegration of women historically you will find my statement to be right in line with the research.

Blessings, Rhoni