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07-28-2007, 12:29 AM
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You got that right my Brother!
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07-28-2007, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Interesting observation -- one I haven't heard before.
Disgruntled or not doesn't change the factual and narrative history. I want to know as much about that as possible. I have no fear of knowing the truth -- whatever it is.
Good heavens! I about fell over when I read that Charles Parham was accused of apparent homosexual misconduct, but that doesn't lessen or diminish the reality of the Holy Ghost or how God moved so powerfully in Topeka or Azusa St either.
So even IF IF IF Fudge had a bone to pick the history and information provided is valid and important.
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The anecdotal information and interviews in CWTC is comprehensively footnoted ..... He also spoke to people on all sides of the issue ... something Hall and Bernard lack in their historical accounts.
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07-28-2007, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Interesting observation -- one I haven't heard before.
Disgruntled or not doesn't change the factual and narrative history. I want to know as much about that as possible. I have no fear of knowing the truth -- whatever it is.
Good heavens! I about fell over when I read that Charles Parham was accused of apparent homosexual misconduct, but that doesn't lessen or diminish the reality of the Holy Ghost or how God moved so powerfully in Topeka or Azusa St either.
So even IF IF IF Fudge had a bone to pick the history and information provided is valid and important.
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Sister the way we do research here is to take all the primary sources and look them over carefully. Thomas Fudge said he was going to make all his research material available to anyone who wanted to view it, has it been made available? As far as the story about Charles Parham being accused of homosexual behavior, again that must be taken in the light of what was going on at the time of the old revivals. The newspapers were painting the Pentecostal in a very bad light. William Seymour was accused of voodoo.
I cannot stress this any stronger but all research must be viewed by going over all primary sources.
In the interviews that Thomas Fudge conducted are we really getting the whole truth? The only way to understand what really happened was to try and get his research and go through it for yourself.
Historians who are upset with any certain group will allow feelings to turn into agenda and that makes for slanted information.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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07-28-2007, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The anecdotal information and interviews in CWTC is comprehensively footnoted ..... He also spoke to people on all sides of the issue ... something Hall and Bernard lack in their historical accounts.
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He did indeed, and the people he interviewed from my neck of the woods were all quoted accurately. 
If there's another side of the story in regard to the anecdotal and recorded history of the OP movement, I want to know that too. I'm not afraid of hearing the truth.
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07-28-2007, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sister the way we do research here is to take all the primary sources and look them over carefully. Thomas Fudge said he was going to make all his research material available to anyone who wanted to view it, has it been made available? As far as the story about Charles Parham being accused of homosexual behavior, again that must be taken in the light of what was going on at the time of the old revivals. The newspapers were painting the Pentecostal in a very bad light. William Seymour was accused of voodoo.
I cannot stress this any stronger but all research must be viewed by going over all primary sources.
In the interviews that Thomas Fudge conducted are we really getting the whole truth? The only way to understand what really happened was to try and get his research and go through it for yourself.
Historians who are upset with any certain group will allow feelings to turn into agenda and that makes for slanted information.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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I can agree with everything you say and the questions are valid. The only way to get the WHOLE truth is to hear from all different perspectives. If there's another perspective, if there are facts we haven't heard, if there's more history, I want to know it.
I applaud TF for the work that he did. He did it well in my opinion even IF IF IF it's true that the man wrote with agenda and attitude.
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07-28-2007, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The anecdotal information and interviews in CWTC is comprehensively footnoted ..... He also spoke to people on all sides of the issue ... something Hall and Bernard lack in their historical accounts.
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Footnotes are only as good as they can be traced back to a book or article that is still available to the public. Please keep in mind that Thomas Fudge was taking boxes of notes and paper work out of attics that we have no way in getting a hold of these materials. Footnotes are wonderful, but if I cannot get my hands on what the footnote is referring to the footnote is nothing more than a loose end.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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07-28-2007, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sister the way we do research here is to take all the primary sources and look them over carefully. Thomas Fudge said he was going to make all his research material available to anyone who wanted to view it, has it been made available? As far as the story about Charles Parham being accused of homosexual behavior, again that must be taken in the light of what was going on at the time of the old revivals. The newspapers were painting the Pentecostal in a very bad light. William Seymour was accused of voodoo.
I cannot stress this any stronger but all research must be viewed by going over all primary sources.
In the interviews that Thomas Fudge conducted are we really getting the whole truth? The only way to understand what really happened was to try and get his research and go through it for yourself.
Historians who are upset with any certain group will allow feelings to turn into agenda and that makes for slanted information.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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This sounds like sour grapes ....since when do men like Hall and Bernard have to go thru this type of inquisition?
Even Norris praises the historical value of this book.
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07-28-2007, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
I can agree with everything you say and the questions are valid. The only way to get the WHOLE truth is to hear from all different perspectives. If there's another perspective, if there are facts we haven't heard, if there's more history I want to know it.
I applaud TF for the work that he did. He did it well in my opinion even IF IF IF it's true that the man wrote with agenda and attitude. |
The Prudent man looks well at his going, that's all I'm trying to say here.
Lord bless you and your family.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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07-28-2007, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Footnotes are only as good as they can be traced back to a book or article that is still available to the public. Please keep in mind that Thomas Fudge was taking boxes of notes and paper work out of attics that we have no way in getting a hold of these materials. Footnotes are wonderful, but if I cannot get my hands on what the footnote is referring to the footnote is nothing more than a loose end.
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Oh ... c'mon Benincasa have you ever read Hall's historical accounts ... they don't even attempt to report the minority view ... to discount first hand accounts of history by ministers of the Gospel on both sides of the issue is dishonest on your part and demonstrates your agenda ....
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07-28-2007, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
This sounds like sour grapes since when do men like Hall and Bernard have to go thru this type of inquisition
Even Norris praises the historical value of this book.
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Hardly sour grapes Brother Daniel just wanting to go with the facts.
Brother Norris, Bernard, and Elder Hall should also have to meet the scrutiny of all those who want to dig up the truth.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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