Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

[CC1]

I have not read every post in this thread so this might have been covered. Are we talking about smoking pot to get high or medical marijuana without the THC element that gets you high?

I believe there is a place for medicine in the world and for christians to take advantage of. However I believe as a nation we are heavily over medicated and one should give careful consideration before taking drugs to address a problem. Particularly mental / emotional ones.

[houston]

There is thc in medical marijuana.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by houston

There is thc in medical marijuana.

Shhhhhhhh lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by CC1

I have not read every post in this thread so this might have been covered. Are we talking about smoking pot to get high or medical marijuana without the THC element that gets you high?

I believe there is a place for medicine in the world and for christians to take advantage of. However I believe as a nation we are heavily over medicated and one should give careful consideration before taking drugs to address a problem. Particularly mental / emotional ones.

We're talking primarily about it's medicinal value. Even the "high" found in most stains is a softer side effect than the synthetic prescription meds on the market. Some will kill you. And it isn't as addictive as many of these meds.

Legalizing marijuana would put an end to people using so many pills. It's all natural, and treats symptoms of over 100 conditions.

I think using it medically wouldn't be a sin. Using it recreationally would be like drinking wine or whisky, a matter of conviction and not meant to be used in excess.

[Aquila]

Here is the real enemy here:

Marijuana's Biggest Enemy Is Not Jeff Sessions–It's Big Pharma
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esq...st-legal-weed/

They don't want people able to turn to a powerful natural medication to treat so many symptoms, that they could grow themselves. It would seriously effect their profit margin. Big pharma doesn't want you to help heal yourself through natural means. They want us grovelling at their feet, paying big bucks, for synthetic meds with terrible side effects that can kill you.

Legalize.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Shhhhhhhh lol

Lol

*Shaking by head*

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I'm sure you've heard the saying "You play with fire, you get burned". Aquila, you can mess with that hedge of fire and find yourself being consumed by it ("our God is a consuming fire"), when you don't steer clear of it.

Yeah, a lot of stoners just goof off and get the munchies, and all that, and maybe no demons, but listen. We aren't talking the average unsaved stoner here. We are talking born again believers, with real devils who would love nothing more than to steal, kill, and destroy everything about you.

What happens when a person gets high? What affect occurs in and upon the mind? How is it that people who get high or drunk end up with so many demonic problems, and what makes you think you can do as they do and not experience the same demonic problems? What because of some hedge of fire?

Don't you realize altering the chemical balance of the brain, or inducing chemical changes into your brain affects your mind, and your body, and that, because they go hand in hand, your mood, then behavior also change, and the little foxes spoil the tender vines, and before you know it, you're putting God to the test?

Listen, you're going to do whatever you're going to do. I suggest you be about it, whatever it is, but leave it off the forum, because no one is buying what you're selling.

(And if you're seriously contemplating suicide [I'm still catching up on the thread, but I've already heard what's in-store for me in later posts], then brother, for real, get off this forum, get yourself to the VA or to a pastor or someone you trust that can help you. Immediately.)

I detect a lot of fear in your post. Cannabis effects the endocannabinoid system of the brain, brings the brains biochemicals into balance, and even is believed to stimulate growth and repair of brain cells.

A lot of what we were told about cannabis was a lie. All over the world they tried to come up with the same findings and failed. Many involved in those studies have even confessed that political pressures caused them to falsify data.

But what about "burn outs"? Most of those either abused cannabis, laced it with other things, took other drugs, and drank heavily. Cannabis alone doesn't do all that.

The VA would just want to pump me full like pills to make me a Zombie all day long, with erectile disfunction, crazy dreams, loss if appetite, and possible suicidal thoughts.

But with one good treatment of cannabis, even with a high for a few hours, those side effects aren't experienced, and one can go for three to four days with relief before needing to set aside another night to medicate.

So, one can...drool all day on prescription meds... get high one night (if enough THC is present), but be symptom free for days, or...live life as a ticking time bomb.

Wouldn't it be awesome if God just healed everyone instantly? Sadly, He doesn't.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I detect a lot of fear in your post.

[Aquila]

Here's a little information on a few things I've mentioned throughout this thread:

Psychedelic drugs appear to fundamentally reorganize the brain — and they're starting to turn into approved treatments
https://businessinsider.com/new-drug...na-2018-5?r=US

My only point is, medicinal value can be found in many of these natural plants and chemicals created by God. As medical science catches up with the healing power of God's creation, new medical options, treatments, and holistic health practices will be developed. Taking any of these things for their medical/health benefits should be a matter of personal conviction.

Those who choose these options shouldn't be demonized or condemned.

"Abuse" of anything (sex, food, drugs, alcohol, internet, etc.) should be admonished against. But blind condemnation is unethical and could have tragic impact on the lives of other individuals.

Any medication or health supplement should be handled with caution. But we have to remember, medication and health isn't a one size fits all issue.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I detect a lot of fear in your post...

The fear of the LORD, yes. Fear for your soul, yes. Fear of marijuana or the spiritual ramifications of someone using it, legally or not, yes.

Here's why:

I know a number of former potheads, dope fiends, drug dealers, gangstas, hoods, criminals, and addicts, all of whom were either instantly delivered or abandoned their drugs and the lifestyle that goes with it, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and everyone of them can tell stories of the demonic mess they were involved in prior to, while using.

They just didn't quit because it was inconvenient or uninteresting. God sovereignly DELIVERED them, or flat-out ORDERED them to stop. Go figure that one out, and wonder why people in this thread or at AFF who have all given accounts of their former past lives and their drug use are all calling you out for being in error on this subject. It's not just some gang up on Aquila for the fun of it. You are being resisted because you are wrong.

This isn't just a doctrinal view that someone disagrees with, that we can academically discuss, disagree about, and let go. You are advocating an unrighteous lifestyle choice, and using the "60 peer reviewed studies" (have you even read them all and understood their content?) mantra to try and convince either yourself or others here that it's okay. Quote a scripture about it being okay? Can you? What does the LORD say about drug use?

I don't care about the endocannabinoid of the brain. Just because a part of our brains or our bodies can do or experience X,Y, or Z, doesn't mean that they should, or that God permits it as okay. How much of our physiological make-up is now the result of the Fall?

And guess what? All those pills the VA is going to pump you full of (do I detect fear in your post?), guess what? They also affect brain chemistry. Do you even understand the relationship that occurs at the neuronic level or the science behind how all of these, including THC, and even nicotine, affect brain chemistry, how the different elements bond and cause the highs or lows of their use?

Here's a primer: https://www.thecabinchiangmai.com/ho...ect-the-brain/

And as far as "Big Pharma" pushing out weed for a paycheck, take a look at this:

Weed, Inc: The Truth about the Pot Lobby, THC, and the Commercial Marijuana Industry:

https://www.amazon.com/Weed-Inc-Comm.../dp/B01N6WTLHN

The only reason it's being legalized in the US is for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. So, Big Pharma is increasingly going to get replaced by Big Marijuana, and what are you going to say about that?

Read up on the Netherlands some time and see how well their legalization of marijuana is going for them?