Defend your Faith

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Plus getting all the extra-biblical standards right.......plus, plus

Crakjak, were the tongues in Corinthians realy Hebrew?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

Until the modern era the infant mortality rate rivaled the number who lived to maturity. In some third world countries the number is still close to 200 out of 1000 who do not live past the first year. The implication of this being if infants are saved, there are possibly hundreds of millions of these souls going to heaven. This group of souls would no doupt be much larger then the total number who have embraced the Oneness Pentecostal message throughout history by obeying the Acts 2:38 pattern. Some might argue that in certain areas where Oneness was not taught these people might very well have been better off dying as an infant!

Do you think these infants will be known as adults in heaven?

In this context, why oppose abortion? Since the vast majority would go to hell anyhow? Why not just let the wicked be wicked still, and thereby snatch millions of infants out of the fire?

[Jesuswins]

I haven't learned how to start my own thread as of yet because I am new, but since this is a thread about defending your faith I was hoping to find help here.
Tell me what you would say if asked "who was Jesus talking to when he prayed Father forgive them they know not what they do".

Any suggestions?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Kutless

Tongues....Baptism... etc.....not standards (cause you will lose)

What if you were chosen to debate these topics? Are they necessary for salvation?

I'll start with baptism. Is there any circumstance were some one would make it across the other side with out being baptized? Or the ones that have not been baptized by a certain formula. Oh the poor souls that happened into the wrong church when at a point of searching. Why would they be held accountable for trusting the pastor of a....oh lets say Methodist church. What if it was all the church they ever got? Are you saying that they are not sincere?

Are you touting that you are the only game in town?

Tounges and Baptism yes. Standards no............

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Jesuswins

I haven't learned how to start my own thread as of yet because I am new, but since this is a thread about defending your faith I was hoping to find help here.
Tell me what you would say if asked "who was Jesus talking to when he prayed Father forgive them they know not what they do".

Any suggestions?

read through one of the many trinity threads and you will probably find what your looking for.

[Jesuswins]

Thank you!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Kutless

Crakjak, were the tongues in Corinthians realy Hebrew?

I have never heard this idea before, however I am not a fan of alot of tongue speaking in a church services. I pray in tongues on a regular basis, but I see no spiritual value in public display of tongues. I have observed alot of self promotion in this practice. But hey, I was a child once myself and immature in all these things.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Kutless

does God not judge according to His WOrd?

do you believe that there is exceptions to Acts 2:38?

If not then be like Bro OP and say it! SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THEY ARE ALL GOING TO HELLL

You and Jonathan Edwards should get along just peachy-illy.!!!

The following is an excerpt from the infamous 1741 sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards. Several church members were so terrified, they fainted during its delivery.

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment....

O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. And consider here more particularly ...

That God will execute the fierceness of his anger, implies, that he will inflict wrath without any pity. When God beholds the ineffable extremity of your case, and sees your torment to be so vastly disproportioned to your strength, and sees how your poor soul is crushed, and sinks down, as it were, into an infinite gloom; he will have no compassion upon you, he will not forbear the executions of his wrath, or in the least lighten his hand; there shall be no moderation or mercy, nor will God then at all stay his rough wind; he will have no regard to your welfare... your most lamentable and dolorous cries and shrieks will be in vain; you will be wholly lost and thrown away of God, as to any regard to your welfare. God will have no other use to put you to, but to suffer misery; you shall be continued in being to no other end ...

It is everlasting wrath. It would be dreadful to suffer this fierceness and wrath of Almighty God one moment; but you must suffer it to all eternity. There will be no end to this exquisite horrible misery. When you look forward, you shall see a long forever, a boundless duration before you, which will swallow up your thoughts, and amaze your soul; and you will absolutely despair of ever having any deliverance, any end, any mitigation, any rest at all. You will know certainly that you must wear out long ages, millions of millions of ages, in wrestling and conflicting with this almighty merciless vengeance; and then when you have so done, when so many ages have actually been spent by you in this manner, you will know that all is but a point to what remains. So that your punishment will indeed be infinite. Oh, who can express what the state of a soul in such circumstances is! All that we can possibly say about it, gives but a very feeble, faint representation of it; it is inexpressible and inconceivable: For "who knows the power of God's anger?"

This is a god created in the image of an anger man, not the God of the scriptures.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I have never heard this idea before, however I am not a fan of alot of tongue speaking in a church services. I pray in tongues on a regular basis, but I see no spiritual value in public display of tongues. I have observed alot of self promotion in this practice. But hey, I was a child once myself and immature in all these things.

I totally agree with you on this.

I see no edification in screamiong tongues in the mic.


I believe we have ample proof that judaic practices were prevalent in the early church. When we begin to compare that with some other jewish writings it does bring up some questions.

According to the Talmud anywhere 10 learned men gathered a synagogue could be formed. These men had specific duties.

Bench of Three - resolved conflicts

Angel of the Church/public minister - oversee public reading of scripture

Three Deacons/pastors - care for the poor and widows

Meturgeman - interpreter of scrolls

Doctor - chief theologian

It is said in the book that the Dr never spoke aloud but would whisper in the ear of the interpreter in Hebrew, who then would pronounce it publicly in the mother tongue of the assembly. Reference Matthew 10:27

Tractate Megillah, folio 3a. " And they read in the book, in the Law of God, with an interpretation and they gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading ".

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Kutless

I totally agree with you on this.

I see no edification in screamiong tongues in the mic.


I believe we have ample proof that judaic practices were prevalent in the early church. When we begin to compare that with some other jewish writings it does bring up some questions.

According to the Talmud anywhere 10 learned men gathered a synagogue could be formed. These men had specific duties.

Bench of Three - resolved conflicts

Angel of the Church/public minister - oversee public reading of scripture

Three Deacons/pastors - care for the poor and widows

Meturgeman - interpreter of scrolls

Doctor - chief theologian

It is said in the book that the Dr never spoke aloud but would whisper in the ear of the interpreter in Hebrew, who then would pronounce it publicly in the mother tongue of the assembly. Reference Matthew 10:27

Tractate Megillah, folio 3a. " And they read in the book, in the Law of God, with an interpretation and they gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading ".

Sounds reasonable to me, I believe we have must to learn yet about the God that we serve, and seek to know.