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09-04-2017, 08:17 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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This isn't about a spouse leaving their spouse to live with another.
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09-04-2017, 08:19 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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Marriages in the ancient world were agreed upon by the tribe, the elders, and the most of all the parents. So, yes, it was a state recognized marriage. Do you understand the process in a bill of divorcement?
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09-04-2017, 08:23 PM
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And why not a prerequisite of God? Simply because He, and not the state, is the One who holds our futures. What did God's people ever do without SSI?
They had faith and trusted Him for all things.
So, to reject the state's interference in one's marriage is fine, even noble, I suppose, if it's done out of true conviction and religious devotion.
But to then turn around and doubt, and go to the very state that was previously rejected, to get a benefit from it later in life, is a reversal of the true conviction and religious devotion.
So one of two things has happened. Either the true conviction and religious devotion was a sham, and repentance for bearing false witness is required, or turning to the state for SSI benefits is morally wrong, and doing so is is wrong, therefore, requiring repentance.
This is pretty black and white. Modifying mutually exclusive beliefs to accommodate and compromise is to shipwreck the whole thing.
People are not Oneness and Trinitarians. People don't believe in speaking in tongues and are also cessationists at the same time.
A rejection of the state's place in marriage but then going to the state for marriage in order to draw state-based marriage benefits is no different.
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09-04-2017, 10:35 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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We know marriage ceremonies were common during the time of the Apostles. Jesus spoke of such a ceremony here:
Matthew 25:1-13 (KJV) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. [2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. [3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: [4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. [5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. [6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. [7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. [8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. [9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. [11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. [12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. [13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Thus, there is no reason to believe this common practice would have ended.
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Right, but did they need a sign of Caesar on their certificate?
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09-04-2017, 10:39 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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TK, fake news DB is just blowin smoke here(as usual).
I dont believe a person can leave anyone, unless that anyone is committing fornication with another person.
Jesus did not expect anyone to live with an adulterous person.
Fornication/adultery breaks the union of man and woman.
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
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09-04-2017, 10:46 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
A man cannot sleep with a harlot(becoming one flesh) and still be one flesh with his wife.
If so, that man would be one flesh times two.(2 fleshes).
1 x 2 = 2.
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09-05-2017, 03:31 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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Right, but did they need a sign of Caesar on their certificate?
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Their marriage was recorded in Jewish genealogy. We see such a record in Matthew 1 and Luke 3. Thus, the marriage was given license (consent) when it was recorded and recognized as a formal record.
I think you're confusing US law with ancient Jewish law.
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09-05-2017, 03:51 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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Right, but did they need a sign of Caesar on their certificate?
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Biblically, a marriage is a covenant or contract. At Sinai God made a ‘Ketubah,’ or ‘wedding contract’ with Israel. A “Ketubah” stipulates the man's and woman’s responsibilities. At Sinai, God revealed Himself, not to one person, but a whole nation (see Exodus 19:5-8). At a Jewish wedding, the groom arrives first and awaits the bride. The Jewish wedding processions used people carrying lamps. The man and woman are then set apart from all others to be only for each other. This is true holiness; the bride and the groom set apart from all others and to only each other. A marriage is a permanent covenant; an everlasting commitment, which is why it used to describe the New Covenant Jesus made with His Church--the Bride of Christ.
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09-05-2017, 05:11 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
I agree TK with the lifetime commitment to your spouse.(I am happily married at 34 years in Nov.).
You also know these guys/gals......
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
Can a man/woman be one with 2(or more)?
The definition of marriage is this, right?...
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
It seems that fornication with another breaks the oneness between husband/wife, creating oneness with another.
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09-05-2017, 05:19 PM
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Re: Marriage Rejuvenation?
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Their marriage was recorded in Jewish genealogy. We see such a record in Matthew 1 and Luke 3. Thus, the marriage was given license (consent) when it was recorded and recognized as a formal record.
I think you're confusing US law with ancient Jewish law.
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Never heard of that TK.(not saying it is not true either)
I only heard of families hearing folks' vows and the Law of Moses governing their marriage.
In the 1st century, where did they keep these marriage records(vital stats) for Jews?
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