Why men hate church

[renee819]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Actually, any kind of gospel music can turn into entertainment, and a show time... I think Sis. Renee was just speaking of the wild kind of music that gets people pumped up and excited, and moving to the beat, without any real heartfelt worship coming from their hearts, much like what goes on at any rock/country or band concert. I've been in band concerts where the jazz music got my toes a tapping, and my hands a clapping, and it had nothing to do with the Lord.

I understand what she is trying to say... that when the music, and the beat becomes more important than true heartfelt worship... then it becomes pure entertainment, and it doesn't matter what the lyrics are or what style of music it is.

Trying to find heartfelt soul filled, anointed music is rather tough in our entertainment-driven society... many would far rather be entertained by a beat, a tune and a show, than to actually experience heart felt worship that requires a sacrifice of praise that cries up to the Lord from the heart.

Thank You, Kept by The Word. That is exactly what I was trying to say.

The words may be OK, but if the tune is more like Rock Music, the words and the tune doesn't harmonize. The people can get real emotional, but there is a sad, disconnect. And I don't claim the gift of discernment, but my spirit can discern that.

And it isn't just the Rock Music, I remember in the 60's or maybe 70's, an evangelist came to the church, and almost every night he would get the people shouting with, the song, "Ain't No Grave gonna hold my body down."

It isn't just the entertainment, but also trying to work people up emotionally.
If God is in the mids't, He will do what needs to be done without man working on peoples emotions. And I don't mean that there shouldn't be any emotion. live people display all kinds of emotions, but it should be as Kept said, HEARTFELT. and not because that someone was manipulating the people.

[n david]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Actually, any kind of gospel music can turn into entertainment, and a show time... I think Sis. Renee was just speaking of the wild kind of music that gets people pumped up and excited, and moving to the beat, without any real heartfelt worship coming from their hearts, much like what goes on at any rock/country or band concert. I've been in band concerts where the jazz music got my toes a tapping, and my hands a clapping, and it had nothing to do with the Lord.

I understand what she is trying to say... that when the music, and the beat becomes more important than true heartfelt worship... then it becomes pure entertainment, and it doesn't matter what the lyrics are or what style of music it is.

Trying to find heartfelt soul filled, anointed music is rather tough in our entertainment-driven society... many would far rather be entertained by a beat, a tune and a show, than to actually experience heart felt worship that requires a sacrifice of praise that cries up to the Lord from the heart.

Why call it jungle music then? That label has a very racial overtone.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by n david

Why call it jungle music then? That label has a very racial overtone.

You know, Jungle Music.

[houston]

Originally Posted by n david

Why call it jungle music then? That label has a very racial overtone.

reminds me of a passage in Winds of God...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Actually, any kind of gospel music can turn into entertainment, and a show time... I think Sis. Renee was just speaking of the wild kind of music that gets people pumped up and excited, and moving to the beat, without any real heartfelt worship coming from their hearts, much like what goes on at any rock/country or band concert. I've been in band concerts where the jazz music got my toes a tapping, and my hands a clapping, and it had nothing to do with the Lord.

I understand what she is trying to say... that when the music, and the beat becomes more important than true heartfelt worship... then it becomes pure entertainment, and it doesn't matter what the lyrics are or what style of music it is.

Trying to find heartfelt soul filled, anointed music is rather tough in our entertainment-driven society... many would far rather be entertained by a beat, a tune and a show, than to actually experience heart felt worship that requires a sacrifice of praise that cries up to the Lord from the heart.

Like this toe tappin song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwKMh4Pwcjw

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by renee819

Thank You, Kept by The Word. That is exactly what I was trying to say.

The words may be OK, but if the tune is more like Rock Music, the words and the tune doesn't harmonize. The people can get real emotional, but there is a sad, disconnect. And I don't claim the gift of discernment, but my spirit can discern that.

And it isn't just the Rock Music, I remember in the 60's or maybe 70's, an evangelist came to the church, and almost every night he would get the people shouting with, the song, "Ain't No Grave gonna hold my body down."

It isn't just the entertainment, but also trying to work people up emotionally.
If God is in the mids't, He will do what needs to be done without man working on peoples emotions. And I don't mean that there shouldn't be any emotion. live people display all kinds of emotions, but it should be as Kept said, HEARTFELT. and not because that someone was manipulating the people.

There is a big difference in the emotion that music alone can bring, to an actual presence and sweet spirit of the Lord in a place. There is a difference, and everyone of you posting on this thread should probably know the difference. I would think most of you have been in a place where the sweet presence of the Lord came in and touched your heart, and no one had to work it up, it was real.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Like this toe tappin song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwKMh4Pwcjw

Yup.

[Michael The Disciple]

Why is rock music singled out? Remember God likes it LOUD. He enjoys that. I rarely listen to Christian rock its truly hard to find any more that puts the good words with the right sound. Nonetheless to me "rock" is not NECESSARILY less holy than other styles of music.

Perhaps you can produce a Youtube of what would be considered true worship?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Yup.

So any music you can clap to or tap your toe is bad?

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Like this toe tappin song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwKMh4Pwcjw

YES!!!

Notice, Jesus was magnified.
The words were clear, because the music wasn't so loud that it overwhelmed the singers. Or maybe I should say, didn't compete with the singers to see who could be the loudest.