Why I Left the UPC

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually that is incorrect too. Nobody has a problem with Holiness at all here that I can see. The problem is with "standards"

True.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What really shocked me was when I drove 400 miles to vist the UPC Bookstore. I thought I would really find some great treasures in truth. Yet upon arrival what I found was a place full of Protestant books.

I asked the sales lady if they had any books by Apostolic Authors. She showed me a very small little shelf and that was it. I hardly encountered such hypocrisy. Out preaching day and night that Protestants were deceivers going to Hell and 98% of the books in their store were written by Protestants.

This was a real shocker to me when I was in too. Talk about going that-a-way
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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Who's standards?

The UC will say that culture plays no part in the standards they preach.

except for facial hair

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Never was in the UPC so I didn't have to leave. My Pastor was offended at the AS because he felt it questioned his honesty in filling out his original license application. He almost didn't sign. He believed the Articles of faith.
IF it forced me to lie I would not have signed it. I would never join because I knew men who did not believe the necessity of the new birth message.

I agree with you on this one, Elder. I always hated the affirmation. If I didn't believe what I believed when I first got my license, I'd leave.


For those who didn't believe or abide by the standards of the UPC, they'd just as easily be dishonest every two years on the affirmation as they were when they first were licensed.

For those who still believed the message, they didn't need to sign a contract every two years renewing their dedication.

So, it was pointless, in my opinion.

It's like my wife wanting me to take wedding vows every two years just to prove I still loved her. Pointless.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I never belonged to the UPC(honestly we always thought it was liberal mostly). But a word of warning look at Steinway's thread most never intended to wind up where they end up.

That would probably apply to the UPC as well, wouldn't it? They should have never left their "old paths" and listened to the likes of you, being held hostage to vague whims and ever changing tantrums.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I agree with you on this one, Elder. I always hated the affirmation. If I didn't believe what I believed when I first got my license, I'd leave.


For those who didn't believe or abide by the standards of the UPC, they'd just as easily be dishonest every two years on the affirmation as they were when they first were licensed.

For those who still believed the message, they didn't need to sign a contract every two years renewing their dedication.

So, it was pointless, in my opinion.

It's like my wife wanting me to take wedding vows every two years just to prove I still loved her. Pointless.

The duplicity within much of the ministry of the UPC is striking.

There is an unhealthy focus on "holiness" but it's perfectly acceptable to lie.

I do not know any UPC ministers who truly agree with everything in the AOF.

Most UPC preachers watch Hollywood produced films, which is as big of a no-no as owning a TV. The majority of UPC preachers have Netflix, Vudu, or some other form of subscriber-based movie services. Many UPC preachers buy entire seasons of TV content.

Yet they all sign the affirmation statement.

Most UPC preachers follow organized sports.

Yet they sign the affirmation statement.

I could go on and on.

It's no wonder the org isn't growing. I highly doubt God is going to put His favor on a group that is so rife with hypocrisy.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Charnock

The duplicity within much of the ministry of the UPC is striking.

There is an unhealthy focus on "holiness" but it's perfectly acceptable to lie.

I do not know any UPC ministers who truly agree with everything in the AOF.

Most UPC preachers watch Hollywood produced films, which is as big of a no-no as owning a TV. The majority of UPC preachers have Netflix, Vudu, or some other form of subscriber-based movie services. Many UPC preachers buy entire seasons of TV content.

Yet they all sign the affirmation statement.

Most UPC preachers follow organized sports.

Yet they sign the affirmation statement.

I could go on and on.

It's no wonder the org isn't growing. I highly doubt God is going to put His favor on a group that is so rife with hypocrisy.

This is the same as the Roman Catholic church

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That would probably apply to the UPC as well, wouldn't it? They should have never left their "old paths" and listened to the likes of you, being held hostage to vague whims and ever changing tantrums.

Listened to the likes of me?????????????????????????????

I never was in the UPC and if I had been I would have just been a lowly peon they would not have listened to me.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by canam

I just think that every minister ,not ignoring basic Biblical doctrine,and holiness standards , should make it possible for in every way for everyone to make it.PS im not ignoring neatness, if your gonna look like the lead guitarist on ZZ Top then no platform for you.

Are you familiar with Steve Winter.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Are you familiar with Steve Winter.

Was he in the UPC?