Why I'm Against Perry

[Esther]

I have a really hard time understanding "Illegal" being okay for entering our country and costing us millions of dollars yet a citizen that breaks our laws has to pay a fine.

I am however, symphathic (sp) to those that are brought here as children and this is the only way of life they know. I think we need to make exceptions and get them legalized. JMO

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esther

I have a really hard time understanding "Illegal" being okay for entering our country and costing us millions of dollars yet a citizen that breaks our laws has to pay a fine.

I am however, symphathic (sp) to those that are brought here as children and this is the only way of life they know. I think we need to make exceptions and get them legalized. JMO

I am there with you on this, Esther. I believe Perry's point is that the Federal Government is not doing their part and people are slipping in, it is not fair to punish those that have no identity with Mexico, as long as they are seeking citizenship.

I know that ICE takes them to the border and they just come back a few days or weeks later. It is a revolving door.

[Pressing-On]

Texas In-State tuition:

The Real story about Rick Perry and In state tutition to illegals

A total of 16,476 illegal immigrants received the reduced tuition in the 2010 fiscal year, about 1 percent of the students at public universities and community colleges, said Dominic Chavez, spokesman for the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board. In-state tuition averages about $7,100 per student, compared with about $17,000 for students from out of state, Chavez said.

So lets do some math here. It costs the tax payers 160 million per year to provide this service. Texas has 25 million people so it is costing each person 6 dollars per year

But that’s making 2 faulty assumptions. One the illegal immigrants DO NOT get the money. They get the same price for tuition that ANYONE who lives in Texas gets. The colleges of Texas get the 160 MILLION dollars.

The fact is most if not ALL these illegal immigrant children would NOT attend college

So the reality is each U.S citizen that went to college would have to pay HIGHER tuition,because each person’s tuition is based on the schools revenues and expenses.

Less teachers would be hired and by sending these kids to college,the chance of them spending their lives OFF the government dole is increased

One could argue this bill ACTUALLY is profitable for the state of Texas

But like i said the money goes to the COLLEGES not the illegals



The facts are ,Since 2005, Perry has directed more than $400 million into a multiagency law enforcement operation along the border. He has also signed legislation prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving drivers’ licenses, backed a new voter identification law and pushed an unsuccessful “sanctuary city” bill that would have allowed local law officers to ask about immigration status.

http://www.billspetrino.com/2011/09/...tion-illegals/

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oops, what in the world? Aside from the NAFTA, this is also very edgy for me.

Perry campaign spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger:

Although I do have to say that there is a TB problem at the border and it seems we are the only ones that want to do something about it. So, I'd have to know the details of the study, which I don't.

After the debate when Santorum pounded Perry as being soft on immigration, I'm finding out more information which, initially, left me disturbed on the bi-national health insurance issue. Very informative article. Glad to get this information.

Santorum’s Ill-Advised Border War

Santorum is absolutely correct about one thing: Barack Obama would not have supported the plan, which would have liberalized health-insurance regulations in Texas, allowing insurance companies — private companies — to write policies on both sides of the border, and to write policies that cover medical procedures on both sides of the border. Which is to say, Santorum was giving Perry grief for having the audacity to suggest that insurance companies ought to be allowed to sell insurance to whom they please and where they please, that consumers ought to have more choices, and that we can alleviate the costs of providing health care to the uninsured by letting markets work. No doubt Barack Obama would be opposed — but why is Rick Santorum? Two possible answers to that question: 1. He is engaging in cheap demagoguery. 2. He has no idea what he is talking about.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-d-williamson#

[Pressing-On]

Yea, that fence on the border is real effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjKB...layer_embedded

[Hoovie]

uh... if it had 10,000 volts in it....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

uh... if it had 10,000 volts in it....

That's an idea!

[Pressing-On]

From Forbes:

Rick Perry's Intriguing Idea for Bi-National Health Insurance

Here is the relevant excerpt from the speech that Gov. Perry gave in August 2001 at a U.S.-Mexico Border Summit with regional governors and legislators from both countries (emphasis added):

There are other challenges that require a unified approach, especially in the area of health care. A lack of preventative medicine means conditions that could have been eliminated through childhood immunizations show up in disturbing numbers later in life. Limited availability of medical specialists means conditions like heart disease and diabetes go untreated at alarming rates. In Texas, we recently placed a strong emphasis on preventative care when we expanded access to Medicaid for more low-income children by making the Medicaid enrollment process simpler. We allocated an additional $4 billion to the Medicaid program, and more than $900 million to the Children’s Health Insurance Program. I urged legislators to pass a telemedicine pilot program that will enable, through technology, a sick border resident of limited financial means to receive care from a specialist hundreds of miles away. But the effort to combat disease and illness requires greater cooperative efforts between our two nations. It is a simple truth that disease knows no boundaries. An outbreak of drug-resistant tuberculosis, for example, endangers citizens of both our nations. We have much to gain if we work together to expand preventative care, and treat maladies unique to this region.
From Forbes:

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.

Contrary to Sen. Santorum’s impression, the idea here was to explore the possibility of allowing private insurers to cover health services provided in either Texas or Mexico. It was an attempt at studying the deregulation of the provision of health insurance by private entities.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...lth-insurance/

[Jermyn Davidson]

Has anyone heard or read that Christie is actually mulling over the idea of getting into the race?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Has anyone heard or read that Christie is actually mulling over the idea of getting into the race?

If he does and doesn't have a conservative record, which many are doubting that he really does (many are starting to bark against his gun control stance and don't believe he is pro-life), it's going to hurt the party in this race.