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Old 04-28-2007, 12:23 PM
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And the passage that states sins are remitted at repentance is????????????????
1 John 5, Romans 3 ... and so on ..
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Old 04-28-2007, 12:38 PM
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1 John 5, Romans 3 ... and so on ..
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Dan,

Can you expound on this passage?
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Old 04-28-2007, 12:51 PM
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Yes, but what's that got to do with you and me?
Hmm, this is good...I thought you forgot about me.

Well, if a man is lost and his wife is not in the car with him, can he still hear her nagging for him to stop and ask for directions?
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Old 04-28-2007, 12:59 PM
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Hmm, this is good...I thought you forgot about me.

Well, if a man is lost and his wife is not in the car with him, can he still hear her nagging for him to stop and ask for directions?
I have tried to forget you but every time I hear a snore I have flashbacks.



Being lost is relative -- especially when that relative is a mother-in-law in the back seat ........
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:01 PM
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I've been studying the Hebrew mindset a great deal lately... Hearing and believing to the Biblical Hebrew means much much more than what our Western mindset sees it as. Hearing to the biblical Hebrew is to not just 'hear' as we think of, but to understand in your heart and mind, and to DO what you hear. So to them, hearing means to hear, to understand, and to do.

In that concept, if I ask you to get me a glass of water, and you don't do it, you haven't heard me.

The same is true in the concept of belief. Belief to the Hebrew mind is trusting in... to grasp onto something and not let go. To fight tooth and nail to hold on to a concept. So, the biblical concept of belief isn't just acknowledging something is true-mental assent. It's latching onto it with all you have and not letting go.

Does that make sense?

If you believe, you will do, but it's the belief in Jesus Christ, who in turn, saves us. Not the doing. You 'do' because you believe (acknowledge, understand, accept and submit as absolute truth) first.

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This verse is what it is ... John 3 ... which my sacrementalist friends love to misquote ... and read out of context .... answers a poignant question ... made by Nicodemus ... when he asks for the how and why of the New birth ...

9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.

10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things? 11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[d] 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.[e]
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[g]

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God

This a trust and belief that Jesus Christ bore our sins ... and was resurrected unto new everlasting life ... and that this promise is for us .... for those who first believe and repents for the remission... blotting away ... forgiveness of sins ... and then move to making their genuine faith in Christ evident ... in OBEYING ... doing to us ... ALL OF HIS COMMANDMENTS ....

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Old 04-28-2007, 01:23 PM
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I have tried to forget you but every time I hear a snore I have flashbacks.



Being lost is relative -- especially when that relative is a mother-in-law in the back seat ........
I would have thought that when you heard snores during your sermons you would get flashbacks, but maybe and thankfully your sermons are becoming more effective, thus the lack of snores.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:35 PM
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Oh Come on, SEpley! You know that the VAST majority here do not condone the homosexual lifestyle.(Not to mention some of that other stuff.)
Though this is not dierected at me, I would like to respond.
We do not condone homosexual lifestyles, yet watch it on tv.
We condemn murder, yet it comes on at night as entertainment.
We abhor shacking up, but can't wait to watch the soaps.

Funny that the things we condemn as sin are allowed to be watched as entertainment. Doesn't the Bible condemn taking pleasure in sin? If it is sin to do the things that are viewable on tv, then it is also sin to watch them for our viewing pleasure. Doesn't it also say that I will put no wicked thing before my eyes?
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:41 PM
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Though this is not dierected at me, I would like to respond.
We do not condone homosexual lifestyles, yet watch it on tv.
We condemn murder, yet it comes on at night as entertainment.
We abhor shacking up, but can't wait to watch the soaps.

Funny that the things we condemn as sin are allowed to be watched as entertainment. Doesn't the Bible condemn taking pleasure in sin? If it is sin to do the things that are viewable on tv, then it is also sin to watch them for our viewing pleasure. Doesn't it also say that I will put no wicked thing before my eyes?
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And for some... we don't condone TV but take pleasure in Louis La'mour...
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:45 PM
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And for some... we don't condone TV but take pleasure in Louis La'mour...
Actually, no I don't.
I do read considerably, typically several books per week, including my Bible reading.
I don't have a problem with people reading, though I do feel that we should be careful as to what we read since brain pollution is still brain pollution, regardless of the source.
Your response was good because it helped to elucidate this point.
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Old 04-28-2007, 04:27 PM
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I think it already happened and you didn't notice?
Then it might be good to strike a balance
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