DKB Shares His Vision: Apostolic Identity, - Page 21

RandyWayne · #**201** 01-20-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is probably true to some extent, but what I am seeing is that many are just going with their own convictions.

The women that don't have a problem with long hair or wearing a dress are dressing their personal convictions on those lines. I think MissBratt has said that as well.

One example would be that their hair is long, but they are trimming it. Simply because the scripture isn't clear enough on that. My Son-in-law sports a beard and is totally accepted. No one cares or thinks its unscriptural.

The thing is, I haven't seen some of the stances against many things, in the places that I have lived, for a very long time. I guess it's location, location, location.

Here is the perfect example. Your Son-in-law would be on a fast track to hell with that beard, at least in Epley's church (according to Epley). And your right, the gateway to heaven is a maze who's twisting corridors and dead ends vary by location location location.

rgcraig · #**202** 01-20-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is probably true to some extent, but what I am seeing is that many are just going with their own convictions.

The women that don't have a problem with long hair or wearing a dress are dressing their personal convictions on those lines. I think MissBratt has said that as well.

One example would be that their hair is long, but they are trimming it. Simply because the scripture isn't clear enough on that. My Son-in-law sports a beard and is totally accepted. No one cares or thinks its unscriptural.

The thing is, I haven't seen some of the stances against many things, in the places that I have lived, for a very long time. I guess it's location, location, location.

Here are a few of my stances:

I don't dress provocatively - I dress modest.
I don't drink or go to bars to hang out.
I don't gossip or backbite.
I don't have a haughty or better than you attitude.
I don't judge others.
I go with my convictions that COME from God - - they aren't really mine.

Pressing-On · #**203** 01-20-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Here is the perfect example. Your Son-in-law would be on a fast track to hell with that beard, at least in Epley's church (according to Epley). And your right, the gateway to heaven is a maze who's twisting corridors and dead ends vary by location location location.

Brother Kilgore has always stated that not every person will have the same convictions and we shouldn't force our on others. I think we are just getting that. At least they are in our area.

rgcraig · #**204** 01-20-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Here is the perfect example. Your Son-in-law would be on a fast track to hell with that beard, at least in Epley's church (according to Epley). And your right, the gateway to heaven is a maze who's twisting corridors and dead ends vary by location location location.

It is location for sure. Where her son is located is more acceptable of beards.

RandyWayne · #**205** 01-20-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Here are a few of my stances:

I don't dress provocatively - I dress modest.
I don't drink or go to bars to hang out.
I don't gossip or backbite.
I don't have a haughty or better than you attitude.
I don't judge others.
I go with my convictions that COME from God - - they aren't really mine.

I have to agree:

I don't dress provocatively either. I ALWAYS at least wear swimming trunks -and trust me, I am NOT provocative in swim trunks, at least not anymore.

I stopped going to bars and clubs to hang out when I met my wife.

I know I shouldn't gossip, but sometimes do.

I know I shouldn't have a haughty attitude, but sometimes I do.

I know I shouldn't judge others but find that i do far too often.

I know God's convictions are better then mine, but it is very hard to tell the difference.

I occasionally think of how much EASIER life would be if I had a good clothesline preacher that I could line up with! A simple easy-to-follow checklist, and BAM!, sal-vation!

freeatlast · #**206** 01-20-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is probably true to some extent, but what I am seeing is that many are just going with their own convictions.

The women that don't have a problem with long hair or wearing a dress are dressing their personal convictions on those lines. I think MissBratt has said that as well.

One example would be that their hair is long, but they are trimming it. Simply because the scripture isn't clear enough on that. My Son-in-law sports a beard and is totally accepted. No one cares or thinks its unscriptural.

The thing is, I haven't seen some of the stances against many things, in the places that I have lived, for a very long time. I guess it's location, location, location.

At his church, but let him try to be a part of Epleys church. If he wanted to do any more than be a visitor he be forced to shave that ungodly mess of his face.

Pressing-On · #**207** 01-20-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Here are a few of my stances:

I don't dress provocatively - I dress modest.
I don't drink or go to bars to hang out.
I don't gossip or backbite.
I don't have a haughty or better than you attitude.
I don't judge others.
I go with my convictions that COME from God - - they aren't really mine.

That's good, Renda. The thing is that many women in the UPC (the women I am acquainted with) think that dresses are appropriate for a woman and have no problem with that. They also see the scriptures saying that long hair is our glory (dignity) and don't want to change that. So, the way they dress, (slits, sleeves, etc.) is a personal conviction.

All the others character traits you mentioned are basic Christian principles, but you won't find every Christian following them, all the time, in any organization. People are just people.

rgcraig · #**208** 01-20-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is probably true to some extent, but what I am seeing is that many are just going with their own convictions.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Brother Kilgore has always stated that not every person will have the same convictions and we shouldn't force our on others. I think we are just getting that. At least they are in our area.

These two statements aren't jiving with me.

Pressing-On · #**209** 01-20-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

At his church, but let him try to be a part of Epleys church. If he wanted to do any more than be a visitor he be forced to shave that ungodly mess of his face.

Yes, but you see - we are not talking about Epley, and really shouldn't be talking about anyone. It's being a busybody in other men's matters, IMO.

rgcraig · #**210** 01-20-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That's good, Renda. The thing is that many women in the UPC (the women I am acquainted with) think that dresses are appropriate for a woman and have no problem with that. They also see the scriptures saying that long hair is our glory (dignity) and don't want to change that. So, the way they dress, (slits, sleeves, etc.) is a personal conviction.

All the others character traits you mentioned are basic Christian principles, but you won't find every Christian following them, all the time, in any organization. People are just people.

That's why I don't push wearing slacks on anyone - - if their conviction is wearing dresses all the time, then that's fine with me. However, they think I'm going to hell for wearing slacks. SINCE, that is NOT a Biblical principle and I feel it's okay between God and I that I do wear slacks - - why is it okay to push their "personal" conviction on me?