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Old 04-24-2007, 03:59 PM
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Here is one for you,

Slavery is wrong, immoral, and yet Paul because of the culture of that day, slavery was rampant and to overthrow it or advocate such action would cause major societial/economic upheavel.

Yet Paul in writing to believing slaves told them to be faithful to their masters, he even wrote believing masters and told them to treat their slaves as brothers in the Lord, the whole book of Philemon deals with this subject matter.

Of course he knew that eventually the heart converted would cause slavery to diminish yet he contextualized a sticky issue so that the Gospel could move forward. This I think was a application of becoming all things to all men.

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Old 04-24-2007, 04:00 PM
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HO check your Pm I owe you an apology.
I gotcha bro. Not a problem at all.
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:01 PM
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I agree, and I think we agree on more than you realize.

However, what they were expecting was beyond what God was able to do in order to be a sacrifice for us. He couldn't have suffered if He came as they expected. He wouldn't have been able to put our sins onto Himself and bear them on the cross has He come down as they expected.
I would say that what they were expecting was beyond what God was willing to do.

This does bring a question to mind: Do our own thoughts, ideas, theology, etc... bind God's will? Do we expect God to show up in a certain way until, when he does show up, we miss it because he doesn't look, act, and interact in a manner that we believe he should?

Is it possible that we are repeating history in our own lives because we have built up a god that we believe God is, instead of letting God be God -- outside our perceptions, culture, and society? And before anyone starts really shouting, this INCLUDES subculture of church and denominations (or ministerial fellowships). This problem is prevelant with ALL people -- not just the blind sinners.
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:03 PM
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HO... I like ya'...but never put God in a box.. of what he could do or can do...

I just agree to disagree with ya here...
I thought by saying what I was saying that I wasn't putting Him in a box.....LOL!

There was a reason why He came down as a human and not a King they were seeking, even if it seems that He would have been accepted by coming as the latter. By expecting Him to come down as a king was there was of putting Him in a box. It didn't work, thus the reason for my response to their expectation.

Sorry if I confused ya.....LOL!
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I would say that what they were expecting was beyond what God was willing to do.

This does bring a question to mind: Do our own thoughts, ideas, theology, etc... bind God's will? Do we expect God to show up in a certain way until, when he does show up, we miss it because he doesn't look, act, and interact in a manner that we believe he should?

Is it possible that we are repeating history in our own lives because we have built up a god that we believe God is, instead of letting God be God -- outside our perceptions, culture, and society? And before anyone starts really shouting, this INCLUDES subculture of church and denominations (or ministerial fellowships). This problem is prevelant with ALL people -- not just the blind sinners.

That's a more accurate way of putting what I wanted to say.

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You see the Jewish concept of a messiah is that the messiah is not divine ,but he will be a man who will restore them back to a golden age and a 1,ooo rule or reign upon the earth.
Jesus Christ said His Kingdom was not of this world , they were looking for someone to overthrow Imperial Rome.
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I'm say this God won't do anything that is not Biblical ,however very often He can and will move outside of our Religious traditions.
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I'm say this God won't do anything that is not Biblical ,however very often He can and will move outside of our Religious traditions.
*grin* sometimes that which is biblical is actually formed by our religious traditions.
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*grin* sometimes that which is biblical is actually formed by our religious traditions.

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*grin* sometimes that which is biblical is actually formed by our religious traditions.
That depends on if you mean Biblical according to a denominal interpretation or Biblical according to the Bible.
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