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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
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Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues.
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I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation.
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I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization.
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I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational.
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I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational.
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I don't know.
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04-18-2007, 11:50 PM
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Some people could make a statue weep
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I think I will make a new sign to put on our marque
BE STANDARDIZED OR BE VAPORIZED
You Choose
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04-18-2007, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Personal conviction or Holy Ghost conviction? Who can judge which is which?
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Well, since I don't live for you and you don't live for me then I have to judge for myself and not compare myself with others. 
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04-18-2007, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
If it's salvational though, it should be consistent.
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I don't think personal conviction can be consistent - it's personal.
Brother Kilgore preached that we can't push our personal convictions onto other people. Not everyone is going to feel the same about everything.
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04-18-2007, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Actaeon
I think I will make a new sign to put on our marque
BE STANDARDIZED OR BE VAPORIZED
You Choose
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Someday I am going to be vaporized!!!!!
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04-18-2007, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Well, since I don't live for you and you don't live for me then I have to judge for myself and not compare myself with others. |
It was a serious question.
I think that personal conviction has to line up with Scripture. If it doesn't then it possibly needs to be discarded.
But then some of this is dependent on how we divide Scripture. We don't all divide it the same way that's for sure so .......... it seems to me there must be some kind of allowance for a person developing convictions outside of those that are mandated by a pastor, church or organization.
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04-18-2007, 11:54 PM
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Agree. That is why no one can say with certainty that you'll go to hell if you don't look the way the expect you to look. The three principles God established for a dress code is modesty, gender separation, and not draw attention to yourself. I taught the women in my household this principle. I told them I don't care what you wear as long as you follow these three principles. As head of my household I make that determination. I do not have the authority to tell peope they are going to hell because their dress code is diffeent than the one I established for my household. You can preach principle as salvation issue, but not a specific dress code...
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I'm not certain you can have a universal code when personal conviction comes into play.
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04-18-2007, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
It was a serious question.
I think that personal conviction has to line up with Scripture. If it doesn't then it possibly needs to be discarded.
But then some of this is dependent on how we divide Scripture. We don't all divide it the same way that's for sure so .......... it seems to me there must be some kind of allowance for a person developing convictions outside of those that are mandated by a pastor, church or organization.
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Well, there is no scripture for it Felicity, but I have a conviction that I will never wear my hair as short as yours. 
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04-18-2007, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
If it's salvational though, it should be consistent.
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It is ..... yes. But like I just said in another post a lot of what we view as being salvational or not is wrapped up in how we interpret and "divide" Scripture.
There are things I will or won't do not based on a particular scripture necessarily but on "principles" that are established in the Word and are consistent from Genesis to Revelation.
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04-18-2007, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Well, there is no scripture for it Felicity, but I have a conviction that I will never wear my hair as short as yours. |
Okay, so you're bringing it down to the "personal" level.
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04-18-2007, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Agree. That is why no one can say with certainty that you'll go to hell if you don't look the way the expect you to look. The three principles God established for a dress code is modesty, gender separation, and not draw attention to yourself. I taught the women in my household this principle. I told them I don't care what you wear as long as you follow these three principles. As head of my household I make that determination. I do not have the authority to tell peope they are going to hell because their dress code is diffeent than the one I established for my household. You can preach principle as salvation issue, but not a specific dress code...
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Modesty is a dress code of sorts, but I understand what you are saying.
I don't have a problem with 'standards'. I have a problem with "People" who act self-righteous in their standards.
I can't say that is a 100% attitude across the Board, but I have seen it.
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