How Important is Truth?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The Subjective Truth....
We live in a day and age where even Christians believe "what's truth for you may not be truth for me"...which makes God a rather subjective being. Is there an absolute truth?

And even more direct, on the subject of baptism, if baptism does not save how important is it to do it the way God wants it to be done Or does it matter?

Is there a right way to baptize or is that subjective? And if there was a right way in scriptures and a specific practice the early church went with...how important is that truth? Can you be saved and not have a love or desire to know the truth and obey it?

The truth is absolutely important:

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

As for baptism:

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The truth is absolutely important:

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

As for baptism:

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

where have you been ... girl???????????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Of course it's nice and corroborates ... my wonderful exegesis ... while you stand on the shores of one meaning .... good for all time ... ROFL

Dan, I have never once argued there is only one meaning.

In fact I argued there is NOT only one meaning.

That is why I said it could be that Ananias was calling him Brother like Peter called those others brother.

I never said that was the only meaning or the only answer.

I simply pointed out and I have had to repeat this for you that this is one possible answer.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Dan, I have never once argued there is only one meaning.

In fact I argued there is NOT only one meaning.

That is why I said it could be that Ananias was calling him Brother like Peter called those others brother.

I never said that was the only meaning or the only answer.

I simply pointed out and I have had to repeat this for you that this is one possible answer.

and I've pointed out the CONTEXT of Acts 9 ... WHICH HELPS WITH MEANING ...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

dude ... how many guys do you call buddy ... when they're known for killing people just like you ... in a heartbeat ?????

Dan, do you assert there is only one possible answer and are sticking with the "Body of Christ" argument or do you agree with me that there are at least more than one possible answer and one of them is the one that I showed is A (meaning ONE) biblical precedent for the meaning of brother

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

and I've pointed out the CONTEXT of Acts 9 ... WHICH HELPS WITH MEANING ...

The only thing you showed in the context is that Ananias feared Paul. That does not prove he would not and did not and could not have used the word brother to refer to Paul as a fellow Jew. I have simply been pointing out that is ONE possibility and that the "saved" one is not well corraborated from the context. I am not denying anything other than the evidence is weak in particular given the other evidences I gave about hearing a preacher etc etc and my unanswered question regarding Ananias telling Paul to wash away his sins

[SDG]

bump for my student ....

Let's examine ... Ananias LENGTHY DISCOURSE OF THE GOSPEL ... AS HE PREACHED IT TO SAUL ....

17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said,

"Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

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Are you sure you want to get into the SACRAMENTALIST BAPTISMAL RENEGENEATIONALIST VIEW OF BAPTISM and it's power to wash away sins ... on THIS THREAD ... I'll wax you ... one the 'washing away sin' theory.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

bump for my student ....

Let's examine ... Ananias LENGTHY DISCOURSE OF THE GOSPEL ... AS HE PREACHED IT TO SAUL ....

17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said,

"Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

The bible itself let's us know that it does not record every word or work Daniel
Act 2:40 And with many other words he earnestly testified and exhorted, saying, Be saved from this perverse generation.

Joh 21:25 And there are also many things, whatever Jesus did, which, if they should be written singly, I suppose the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

Jesus told said he must go tell Paul what he must do....That's simple...

Other passages someone is baptized but we read nothing about them being told to be baptized
Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip and said, I beg you, of whom does the prophet speak this? Of himself or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth and began at the same Scripture and preached the gospel of Jesus to him.
Act 8:36 And as they passed along the way, they came on some water. And the eunuch said, See, here is water, what hinders me from being baptized?
Act 8:37 Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, it is lawful. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch. And he baptized him.

Dan, surely you don't believe that Luke recorded verbatim everything Ananias did and said?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The bible itself let's us know that it does not record every word or work Daniel
Act 2:40 And with many other words he earnestly testified and exhorted, saying, Be saved from this perverse generation.

Joh 21:25 And there are also many things, whatever Jesus did, which, if they should be written singly, I suppose the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

Jesus told said he must go tell Paul what he must do....That's simple...

Other passages someone is baptized but we read nothing about them being told to be baptized
Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip and said, I beg you, of whom does the prophet speak this? Of himself or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth and began at the same Scripture and preached the gospel of Jesus to him.
Act 8:36 And as they passed along the way, they came on some water. And the eunuch said, See, here is water, what hinders me from being baptized?
Act 8:37 Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, it is lawful. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch. And he baptized him.

Dan, surely you don't believe that Luke recorded verbatim everything Ananias did and said?

Didn't make that claim ... but since you hate to read in between the lines ... I threw that in ....