Is Obesity a Sin? - Page 21

NotforSale · #**201** 02-19-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eniratak

Well yes, Type 2.
But it seems like diabetes is always associated with being obese and that isn't always the case.
So even if you 'eat right and are healthy', it won't get rid of diabetes completely.

Studies have proven, children who become obese and don't exercise can bring on type 2 diabetes before they reach their 20's, which has become part of this health epidemic.

Also, I have a very good freind who is a "3-4 Shots a day" diabetic. He emphatically told me, "If I get fat, I'm in trouble." Becoming obese not only escalates the diabetic condition, it can bring premature damage to vital organs and early death.

The broad range of health risks associated with being obese are known and proven, and our Country has a serious problem.

Not sure if you had a chance to watch the video I posted earlier on, but please take the time to watch it. It's short and well done.

God Bless.

NotforSale · #**202** 02-19-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Check out this article and video. Some new facts about smoking vs obesity. Interesting stuff.

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/h...lthy07.article

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-rZ...layer_embedded

Bumped this for those who haven't seen it.

Eniratak · #**203** 02-20-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Studies have proven, children who become obese and don't exercise can bring on type 2 diabetes before they reach their 20's, which has become part of this health epidemic.

Also, I have a very good freind who is a "3-4 Shots a day" diabetic. He emphatically told me, "If I get fat, I'm in trouble." Becoming obese not only escalates the diabetic condition, it can bring premature damage to vital organs and early death.

The broad range of health risks associated with being obese are known and proven, and our Country has a serious problem.

Not sure if you had a chance to watch the video I posted earlier on, but please take the time to watch it. It's short and well done.

God Bless.

As do I have a very good friend who has Type 1. My best friend actually and he was fat. He was and still is perfectly fine.

You can be fat and be healthy. I think people forget that as well.

And no, he wasn't fat because he had diabetes. The medicine he was put on put on weight that was hard to take off.

Godsdrummer · #**204** 02-21-2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Eniratak

Well yes, Type 2.
But it seems like diabetes is always associated with being obese and that isn't always the case.
So even if you 'eat right and are healthy', it won't get rid of diabetes completely.

Haven't seen you for awhile. Get out your books and restudy on Diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is caused by the foods we eat or lack there of. In one is born with diabetes most times that will be type 1 where they need insulin. Most people (not all) that aquire deabetes later in life aquire diabetes because of the food they eat. Of course this depends on the health care provider you are talking to. Oh and yes you can get rid of diabetes type 2 non dependent with proper diet.

Godsdrummer · #**205** 02-21-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Eniratak

As do I have a very good friend who has Type 1. My best friend actually and he was fat. He was and still is perfectly fine.

You can be fat and be healthy. I think people forget that as well.

And no, he wasn't fat because he had diabetes. The medicine he was put on put on weight that was hard to take off.

Sorry but fat and over weight is never healthy. And I have heard the "they are on medicine that made it hard to take off the weight" before. We are a druged society. Go back in history, what did people do before drugs?

Eniratak · #**206** 02-21-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Sorry but fat and over weight is never healthy. And I have heard the "they are on medicine that made it hard to take off the weight" before. We are a druged society. Go back in history, what did people do before drugs?

I'm overweight and I'm completely healthy.
The only 'problem' there is is that I need to lose ten pounds.
Seriously. If you're going to say that being fat and overweight isn't healthy, then you need to realize that being 92 pounds when you're 5'10 isn't healthy either.

NotforSale · #**207** 02-21-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eniratak

I'm overweight and I'm completely healthy.
The only 'problem' there is is that I need to lose ten pounds.
Seriously. If you're going to say that being fat and overweight isn't healthy, then you need to realize that being 92 pounds when you're 5'10 isn't healthy either.

Just curious, did you watch the Newscast by Katie Couric? The problem of obesity in this Country is not fabricated or made up.

I do agree, overly skinny people can have health problems, but that's not really the focus of this thread.

Discussing this issue can be uncomfortable, but we must address it in a respectable and civil manner.

RandyWayne · #**208** 02-21-2010, 09:38 PM

Since people love to look at sin in a binary way -it IS sin or it ISN'T sin, I am curious as to what point gluttony/weight becomes sin? If two larger men come to the pearly gates at the same time and and one is 214 lbs and the other 215, will the slightly larger of the two find that the 1 lb difference is the kicker and a heaven or hell difference separating one to eternal bliss and the other to eternal torment?

This is why I find more and more evidence to support my personal philosophy regarding sin: There is perfect and then there is everything less than.

Godsdrummer · #**209** 02-22-2010, 08:13 AM

Just to difine what I think, Obesity will not send you to hell. Obesity is not pleasing to God but then so are ahundred other things that we do. But I want to say this many legalistic christians put more infisis on one thing and not other things. The same scripture they use to condime smoking is the same verse that will condeme them for over eating and not getting any exersize.

Look at it from a worlds stand point "I am a christian I don't cut my hair, or put on makeup, or wear jewlery, or pants." Yet we stand there over weight, a gossip and judge of the world so to speak. and then we want to world to become a christian like us? LOL No wonder we have to indoctrinate them in order to get them to become christians. When Jesus just said to preach the good news.

NotforSale · #**210** 02-22-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Since people love to look at sin in a binary way -it IS sin or it ISN'T sin, I am curious as to what point gluttony/weight becomes sin? If two larger men come to the pearly gates at the same time and and one is 214 lbs and the other 215, will the slightly larger of the two find that the 1 lb difference is the kicker and a heaven or hell difference separating one to eternal bliss and the other to eternal torment?

This is why I find more and more evidence to support my personal philosophy regarding sin: There is perfect and then there is everything less than.

I guess I'm approaching this issue as Godsdrummer points out. We've told people, "Don't smoke! It destroys the temple of God (our body)", yet we allow or don't say much about the health ramifications of being overweight.

To me, this is not consistent and balanced teaching and allows one sin, but not the other.

We must ask ourselves this tough question; Will a tabacoo user be saved? Years ago, my indoctrinated mind would have said, "No!" Today, I don't see this as a Heaven or Hell issue, as God's mercy and forgiveness is far deeper than we could ever comprehend.

Remember, if we say obesity is NOT a sin (whatever that level is in food consumption/1 cigarette or 20 a day), we must learn to justify other human failure and stop our dogmatic smokescreen of being Holy.

I personally feel being fat or smoking is not in the equation of being good enough for God. I also feel, that if one wants to improve their quality of life and the lives of their children, we must address this issue with an honest heart without hurling stones at our obese friends.

The tabacco issue in this Country has been a great example of how to help people make the right choices regarding nicotine use. Education about the dangers of something can wake a Nation.