Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Ferd
Derrick, I dont know if you saw this discussion but we went this round several weeks ago.
Rico got all mad. the Admin chimed in and clearly indicated that the "judgement" I made was a valid one.
bottom line, if you are against abortion but you are pro-choice and you vote pro-choice you are supporting abortion. the end here is that your actions regardless of what you claim you believe cause the perpetuation of abortion.
period.
Rico can be mad all day long. Aquilla can be offended to the end of time. if they cant take the heat, they need to exit the kitchen.
Ferd, perhaps you need to understand something. It's one thing to say that as a prolife Christian you don't see how a Christian can be prochoice. It's another to accuse someone of being pro-abortion or an abortionist. Choice doesn't mean one condones abortion. Choice means that one believes the GOVERNMENT is unable to adequately address the issue and that GOVERNMENT involvement may make matters worse and far more complicated. Frankly, it's not rocket science. But hey...it gives some of the bullies an excuse to call names and be vipers.
If the Admin sided with you in calling people names and labeling outside of the truth, with all due respects, the Admin is terribly wrong. Ferd.....one can be right....but go about it all wrong. Ferd, you're right, abortion is a terrible sin. Abortion is something that I pray becomes very rare in the United States. But, I'm not going to call someone who believes in choice "proabortion", "abortionist", "baby killer", etc. I'm more GROWN UP than that. I also know women who have been in dire circumstances and who faced the possibility of having to make that decision. And Ferd....the GUBBERMENT has no business in the matter. I think the Admin agreed with your over all sentiment that abortion is wrong....but if the Admin sided with allowing you to call names like those listed above...bro...I don't think that's right. I also think you're using the Admin's siding with you as license to say and abuse those who don't agree with you at will. Personally, I think that makes the Admin look bad and is very disrespectful of their authority.
Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
It really is amazing that the government is able to make every other health care decision for you and that's fine. But when they say you can't kill your baby they become incompetent.
Bro....I never said the government should make every other health care decision for anyone. I said some supplemental insurance would be OK. Why'd I say that? Last year on July 7th my mother died of a heart attack. She had a heart condition that could have been treated and her life extended...if she had health insurance. But being unable to afford health insurance sentenced her to an early death. You saved about $20 in taxes that month...my mother died.
So yes, I seriously felt some supplemental insurance might be nice. But I've since realized that as long as people don't see this like we're all in this together....it's not going to happen. So now, I kinda take the libertarian track. I hope we can decentralize the system and help make it more affordable. I've yet to see a model that would adequately do so....but hey, it's a conservative pipe dream they sell every election cycle. Here's the rub....the models presented will make health insurance even harder to afford...that means....one day maybe someone you love will need it and not have it. My only hope is that then you'll feel the pain of watching a person die an untimely death of a treatable condition merely because they were unable to afford health insurance. Only then will you have an inkling of what it's like.
Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
There must be someone who determines when life needs to be protected. That is why we have a government. Any society without laws will not make it. Everyone has a different idea of what is right and what is wrong.
The government passed a law based on the a biblical principle that one cannot take the life of another. Anyone who reads the bible knows tat life begins at conception. Even science supports this fact.
That is why when bot pro-choice and pro-life people talk to a pregnant woman they will ask her "how is our baby doing"? They do not ask "how is your body doing"?
The baby is not her body, it is only living in her womb. Therefore is is a life that should be protected by the government.
This should be easy for anyone to understand. Especially someone who believes in the Word of God.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Answer the question.
Do you believe they should ban pornography like Playboy?
You can answer the question or tuck tail and bolt. It's up to you.
The better question is would I support a candidate who wanted to use tax dollars to print and distribute and encourage the reading of this kind of trash.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
The better question is would I support a candidate who wanted to use tax dollars to print and distribute and encourage the reading of this kind of trash.
my question is why would anyone want to roll with the moral equivalant argument?
Chris is just fishing to find some place where he can say i am just as bad as he is so he is OK.
that is a sad small place to live if you ask me.
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Re: Osbama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren
for the record i dont believe there any such thing as pro choice, that was concocted 20 yrs ago to better package the pro abort positions, there are only two choice pro life and pro abort, choose you this day which one, i am pro life all the way, dt
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