Obama's "Not Exactly's"

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

You are equivocating Rico. On a vitally important issue. The GOVERNMENTS roll here is to PROTECT ALL INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE.

Including those who cannot afford health insurance that may die as a result of not being able to afford treatments?

There is NEVER a day when the Government gets to take a pass on protecting the innocent.

Unless someone doesn't have health insurance or is wearing a uniform.

Current law allows for a woman to have an abortion. I can't stop that. Nor is that the issue here.

Ok...

Current law SHOULD however, Not allow a doctor to leave a living baby on a trash heap because it got here by a failed abortion.

I can agree with that. But I think the issue is money. Who's going to pay for those life saving measures? Obviously the girl aborting isn't going to pay for it. Are we as a society willing to pay for this child's health care if it will save it's life?

You think its fine that Obama considers Abortion sacrosanct and a living breathing human being medical waist???????

Kinda like marching troops into an unnecessary war like they're nothing but cannon fodder.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And most of what Obama is pushing for will not happen the way he wants it. Checks and balances are in place.

He's definitely going to have to do some compromising on what he wants, if he expects to get anything through Congress. It will be interesting to see where he has to "give some to get some."

[izzyschwartz]

Originally Posted by Rico

Aquila, you are right. With Obama you know what you are getting up front. With McCain you have to wait and see if his position is going to change or not.

You are extremely deceived, and probably without hope as far as your prospects for anyone helping you... Obama is the most classic lying politician I have ever had anything to do with, and is purely evil in his motives. I hope you get smart soon...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Rico, I oppose abortion both personally and politically. However in a discussion on the subject of Abortion, I have to take the tackt that those who do not support government intervention are on equal footing with me.

but we arent talking about abortion. we are talking about a living breathing person outside the womb.

What if that living breathing person outside the womb is 34, has cancer, and doesn't have health insurance to cover treatments that could save her life?

At what point does the value of life decrease enough to just let her die?

I suspect you do believe that the law should protect a term baby. is that not the case? should a woman go into labor naturally, then after the childs birth have a right to tell the doctors to let it die?

On a lighter note...

If parents had complete authority over their child's lives, choosing if they lived or died...I think we'd have better behaved children in America. LOL

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

as far as health care, there is health care available from the government right now for pretty much anyone who wants it. It is called the Heath Dept. Also, most hospitals will take every emergency case that comes to them, whether you have money or not.

Bumpity

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

as far as health care, there is health care available from the government right now for pretty much anyone who wants it. It is called the Heath Dept. Also, most hospitals will take every emergency case that comes to them, whether you have money or not.

You still have to pay for the care, St. Matt. There are some states that have programs to help pay for hospital bills for the uninsured. Kentucky is one of them. A friend of mine had to go to the ER a few years ago because a car he was working on slipped partly off the jack and pinned him under the car. Thankfully, another part of the car got caught on the jack and the whole weight of the car didn't fall on him. Anyway, he filled out some paperwork with a social worker, they verified that he didn't have any insurance, and his bill was paid. Indiana doesn't have that kind of help available. Also, there isn't healthcare available from the Federal government for anyone who wants it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

real simple. heart beat and breathing. read the article. that law passed the U. S. Senate in a 98-0 vote.

seems everybody but your candidate for president can agree. yuck.

Obama only voted Present. He didn't "agree". It's clear that Obama wasn't wanting to meddle in abortion politics because of his Presidential aspirations. I think Obama should be asked about how he feels about this personally and let it rest with is answer.

To say Obama "agreed" when he didn't actually vote for or against the measure is inflating the issue.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

Whatever, TRFrance. You are really starting to crack me up, Brother. Who said an exchange of opinions is a contest to see who wins? Apparently that's the way you look at it. In that case, I accept victory.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by izzyschwartz

You are extremely deceived, and probably without hope as far as your prospects for anyone helping you... Obama is the most classic lying politician I have ever had anything to do with, and is purely evil in his motives. I hope you get smart soon...

Ok. Whatever. If you want to see deception, just take a look at all the lies that have been posted about Obama's background and history on this forum. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Rico

You still have to pay for the care, St. Matt. There are some states that have programs to help pay for hospital bills for the uninsured. Kentucky is one of them. A friend of mine had to go to the ER a few years ago because a car he was working on slipped partly off the jack and pinned him under the car. Thankfully, another part of the car got caught on the jack and the whole weight of the car didn't fall on him. Anyway, he filled out some paperwork with a social worker, they verified that he didn't have any insurance, and his bill was paid. Indiana doesn't have that kind of help available. Also, there isn't healthcare available from the Federal government for anyone who wants it.

Have you ever met anyone that could not get medical treatment when they needed it?


Why do you think the price of medical care has risen so high? It is because of all the free care that is written off. It gets paid, but from everyone else.

And I really want the Fed Gov to take over the heath care industry since they have done so good with the Social Security system.