I think there is a problem with that. What if the guy is drunk too? She says "yes", but later says "Oh I was drunk, I did not really want to do it".
If she is so drunk that she can't give an answer then that should be rape. On the other hand if she got so drunk that she said yes when she would otherwise have said no then she should not get drunk because the guy simple does not read minds or know she would have said no if not drunk.
Same thing with driving a car....if you can't drink and drive either don't drink and drive or don't drink at all.
Not consenting to something while drunk, is different from doing something while drunk. In one case one is simply drunk and they have done nothing offensive. In both the case of the driver and the rape scenario both require assertive actions.
For many years the supposed argument was about when does a fetus become a life form. I personally think that is NOT really even the argument. I really think the pro abortionists...particularly the left leaning womens movement with their feminazis and dikes and the abortion industry don't care at all when life begins. It's more of a legal argument for the pro life side.
The question has to be what is life? Even scientists have to admit the simplest protozoa is a life form though a simple one. If we use that logic then it does not matter when the heart beats...that is a life form at it's earlies and simplest stage. The next question is what sort of life form? Human? If not then it's another species and one has to believe in evolution on a grand scale....
All logic points that this is in fact a Human life form in it's earliest stage,
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Not consenting to something while drunk, is different from doing something while drunk. In one case one is simply drunk and they have done nothing offensive. In both the case of the driver and the rape scenario both require assertive actions.
If I understand what you just said, then I think that is pretty much what I just said. People make decisions all the time while drunk, yet able to make those decisions, but they are often bad decisions because the alcohol clutters their thinking....this is then the fault of the drunk person.
But if she is incapacitated to NOT give a clear answer as to yes or no...to not be able to consent by saying yes, then that is rape. Are we in agreement?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
For many years the supposed argument was about when does a fetus become a life form. I personally think that is NOT really even the argument. I really think the pro abortionists...particularly the left leaning womens movement with their feminazis and dikes and the abortion industry don't care at all when life begins. It's more of a legal argument for the pro life side.
The question has to be what is life? Even scientists have to admit the simplest protozoa is a life form though a simple one. If we use that logic then it does not matter when the heart beats...that is a life form at it's earlies and simplest stage. The next question is what sort of life form? Human? If not then it's another species and one has to believe in evolution on a grand scale....
All logic points in it's earliest stage,
for me, if i am going to argue against abortion it can only be on the grounds of my faith. my faith takes me to scripture and scriture tells me life is in the blood. in the absenese of blood there is no life.
this is my story and i am sticking to it.
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For many years the supposed argument was about when does a fetus become a life form. I personally think that is NOT really even the argument. I really think the pro abortionists...particularly the left leaning womens movement with their feminazis and dikes and the abortion industry don't care at all when life begins. It's more of a legal argument for the pro life side.
The question has to be what is life? Even scientists have to admit the simplest protozoa is a life form though a simple one. If we use that logic then it does not matter when the heart beats...that is a life form at it's earlies and simplest stage. The next question is what sort of life form? Human? If not then it's another species and one has to believe in evolution on a grand scale....
All logic points that this is in fact a Human life form in it's earliest stage,
I am not convinced that life begins at conception. However, until I find otherwise my attitude is that you err on the side of life.
for me, if i am going to argue against abortion it can only be on the grounds of my faith. my faith takes me to scripture and scriture tells me life is in the blood. in the absenese of blood there is no life.
this is my story and i am sticking to it.
hey ferd i wont argue with your faith, i just believe life begins at conception, no need to argue, we both value life equally, dt
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I was the one that brought up the scenario of a 14 year old that got drunk and ended up pregnant.
it wasnt my intention to use that as an excuese for abortion. it was my intention to use that to point out that life is messy and difficult but even when it his messy and difficult, we need to keep two things in mind.
first, complete compassion for a person who has found herself in a terrible situation either by her own fault, or by no fault of her own.
second, what ever the mess, there is no excuse for not defending innocent life.
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