No Double Dipping? General Board votes against ..

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Pardon my ignorance.

But I thought that was why people chose to join the UPC.

I mean for fellowship.

Is that fellowship no longer good enough for some reason?

They join for "exclusive" fellowship, Brother Ego?????

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I respect Brother James Griffin immensely, but I still believe the NCO could be defined as an organization.

The local children’s chess club that meets on Friday nights near my church is also an organization. Furthermore (unlike the NCO) it is has dues, officers, bylaws and regular meetings. (And stands about as much chance as the NCO of being involved in UPCI politics.)

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

If the board hadn't taken action we could have eventually had a two party political system complete with separate organizational bylaws and party platforms.

NCO (or some other group) equals libs.
WPF equals cons.

WWPF has a bible school, magazine, missions plan, departments, a headquarters office space, dues, benefits, bible quizzing, youth camps, and alternative meetings to the UPCI.


The NCO does not have dues, Bible School, magazine, missions plan, HQ space, benefits (like insurance), Bible quizzing, youth camps, or alternative meetings.

Furthermore it does not have ANY layers of organizational hierarchy, nor even written Articles of Faith.

It does not even have 501 (c) (3) status.

It is a fellowship, primarily web based dedicated to sharing ideas and means to propagate the gospel. Nothing more nothing less.

Legally speaking comparing it to an organization such as WWPF is a total non sequitur!!!

So not only does the NCO not have the vehicle nor the platform for such a scheme, even a most cursory reading of its articles would show it to have a decidedly non-organizational agenda. Its paradigm is relational (i.e. father-son) as opposed to organizational.

As far as "some other liberal organization" forming within the UPCI, the “I” in UPCI stands for incorporated. A formal bi-party form of government simply cannot function in its corporate bylaws. So a two party system within the UPCI just ain't happening. So by default UPCI represented by the majority electoral vote of its rank and file period. (Curiously enough the leadership of the WWPF seems to be self-coronated er appointed) Unlike the AWCF et al, the UPCI is simply not structured or equipped to handle independent organizations within its organization.

BTW AE, you’re fun. Keep thinking outside the box, you’ll come up with a winner yet.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

The local children’s chess club that meets on Friday nights near my church is also an organization. Furthermore (unlike the NCO) it is has dues, officers, bylaws and regular meetings. (And stands about as much chance as the NCO of being involved in UPCI politics.)




WWPF has a bible school, magazine, missions plan, departments, a headquarters office space, dues, benefits, bible quizzing, youth camps, and alternative meetings to the UPCI.


The NCO does not have dues, Bible School, magazine, missions plan, HQ space, benefits (like insurance), Bible quizzing, youth camps, or alternative meetings.

Furthermore it does not have ANY layers of organizational hierarchy, nor even written Articles of Faith.

It does not even have 501 (c) (3) status.

It is a fellowship, primarily web based dedicated to sharing ideas and means to propagate the gospel. Nothing more nothing less.

Legally speaking comparing it to an organization such as WWPF is a total non sequitur!!!

So not only does the NCO not have the vehicle nor the platform for such a scheme, even a most cursory reading of its articles would show it to have a decidedly non-organizational agenda. Its paradigm is relational (i.e. father-son) as opposed to organizational.

As far as "some other liberal organization" forming within the UPCI, the “I” in UPCI stands for incorporated. A formal bi-party form of government simply cannot function in its corporate bylaws. So a two party system within the UPCI just ain't happening. So by default UPCI represented by the majority electoral vote of its rank and file period. (Curiously enough the leadership of the WWPF seems to be self-coronated er appointed) Unlike the AWCF et al, the UPCI is simply not structured or equipped to handle independent organizations within its organization.

BTW AE, you’re fun. Keep thinking outside the box, you’ll come up with a winner yet.

I love you man!

[Jehoram]

And your great legal insight notwithstanding, I still think there will be a legal challenge to this ruling.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

And your great legal insight notwithstanding, I still think there will be a legal challenge to this ruling.

He simply demonstrated that using the NCO as an example would fall flat on it's face ... Although Grif ... I believe state in anothr that the AWCF would probably be a better comparison.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

And your great legal insight notwithstanding, I still think there will be a legal challenge to this ruling.

LOL when did I say there would not be?????

Furthermore, legally speaking both sides have very valid arguments.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

LOL when did I say there would not be?????

Furthermore, legally speaking both sides have very valid arguments.

What are you man?

A NCO apologist or something?

It's like you have some sort of investment with them.

Hmm

[WyoPastor]

The WPF's own Bylaws calls itself an organization when it says in the qualifications of the Chairman:
c) The Executive Chairman of Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship may not be a member of any other religious organization except WPF.

The key word is 'other'. When they say 'other' they are classifying themselves as an organization, otherwise the word 'other' would not be necessary. They could just say 'a member of any religious organization.'

[SDG]

Originally Posted by WyoPastor

The WPF's own Bylaws calls itself an organization when it says in the qualifications of the Chairman:
c) The Executive Chairman of Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship may not be a member of any other religious organization except WPF.

The key word is 'other'. When they say 'other' they are classifying themselves as an organization, otherwise the word 'other' would not be necessary. They could just say 'a member of any religious organization.'

Oh boy ... methinks that does nail it down .... For months I've heard the WPF was not an organization .... the UPCI case just strengthened a bit.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

What are you man?

A NCO apologist or something?

It's like you have some sort of investment with them.

Hmm

Have you checked out the NCO site?