*BREAKING*Tulsa gathering beginning to unravel!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Amos

Another thing--the liberal intelligentsia around here love to tout the ethical high road, and have tried and tried to find some technicality in the manual to hang the Tulsa men over.

How about the ethics involved in going in and copying pages off a web site that was not intended to be released yet? Even if no hacking was needed, that's like walking into someone's house and taking something, and justifying it by saying, "Well, they should have had their door locked if they didn't want me going in there and getting their stuff."

Give me a break.

Others have probably responded to this as I'm just catching up on this thread... but Amos, Amos, Amos... c'mon bro! You want to compare reading a page published on the World Wide Web to trespassing and burglary?

You really are confused about technology, aren't you?

Surely your disdain for DA and the "the liberal intelligentsia around here" goes deep enough that you're motivated to think about what you're saying, dosen't it?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

Normally you would find a non-visible page by scanning the website using hacker tools. I am not saying that this is a case, it could have just been a guess, though that is unlikely.

No, as I said in another thread... I forget where, it dosen't take hacking or hacker tools.

Here's how it works:

When you go to any of the URLs that were given for the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship they all redirect to this page:



You might call this a "place holder" or whatever. It's a simple "under construction" page with no navigation links to the rest of the site. One would assume that this is the only page that is even on the web. However, looking at the URL in the page we see that it doesn't specify a specific page. This tells the average surfer that there may be more to this site.

Being more of a "Microsoft kind-of-guy" my first impulse would be to add "index.html" to the address above... suspecting that the site is running on Microsoft's Internet Information Server (IIS). "Index.html" is the default name that is given to the "top" page in any directory on an IIS server.




But, as you can see, I would have guessed wrong. Well, what's the most popular format for a web site? The answer is Personal Home Page or PHP. The default index page in PHP is "page.php"...



And that one works and gives me the navigation menus and access to all of the live pages on the site. This isn't "hacking." I've learned to do this when just trying to help people who were having problems getting all of the links and redirects to their home page to work. Unless they were using Notepad to develop the site, the web people would have had to hit a button labeled "Publish" to even get these pages here (or consciously ftp'd them to the site). This tells me that they knew they were deliberately publishingt these pages for public viewing. Either that, or they're so clueless that you must insult them to explain this. I choose not to insult anyone.

My guess is that the first page above is going to have some sort of way cool Flash animation opening as a "splash page" which will then link to the "page.php" page and the rest of the site. The developers just haven't finished their Flash animation yet.

The fact that we've been hitting these pages for days and gossiping about them - and the fact that the pages and list of names are still there, tells us one of two things:

1. The web designer died suddenly and no one knows how to take the site down... (not likely) ... or,

2. The folks behind the site really don't care about the list of names being public- even, that they want the list public and are doing this intentionally to create the reaction that they desire (most likely).

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

Pardon me but I am fairly new here. Could you direct me to the threads and thousands of post referencing the motives of those who voted for Res 4. I would be particularly interested in those by KP.

Go an doeth thine own researchth...........

[LordChocolate]

Originally Posted by Kings Kid

Its coming apart at the the seams because of the deceit. Because the ultra cons want to keep things old school.

These cats are not ultra cons by a LONG shot. Most of them are not even cons

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

Pardon me but I am fairly new here. Could you direct me to the threads and thousands of post referencing the motives of those who voted for Res 4. I would be particularly interested in those by KP.

Go to members list near the top of the page, click, and then click on the letter "K" and scroll down and find KP. He doesn't post much so you shouldn't have much trouble finding his views on Res 4. You have to be logged on to access the members list.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

Pardon me but I am fairly new here. Could you direct me to the threads and thousands of post referencing the motives of those who voted for Res 4. I would be particularly interested in those by KP.

Of course you're being sarcastic... but it's a good natured sarcasm. You won't find many posts on AFF "referencing the motives of those who voted for Res 4" and probably no threads at all. There were snide comments made about RevDWW's pastor and his open support for Res. #4. Things were said about "pinky rings" and one poster was so mean spirited as to be hateful about it.

There are private forums where these things are discussed and sometimes the contention overflows into this space. When a Texas pastor sent a letter to his fellow pastors advising a calm approach to the passage of Res. #4, some unfortunate posts were made on one such private forum necessitating that the moderator intervene. The moderator was a gentleman and things seem to have healed nicely.

The break away in the wake of Res. #4, seems to be related to a long history of division within the UPC. Seperate camps, conferences and fellowships have been a growing phenomenon for years. The motives behind such things can be related to Res. #4. But as others have pointed out the "Tulsa Summit" may not really be about the most obvious divide in the UPC between "cons" and "libs" (I don't like those terms, but they're in use). With the "publication" of these Council lists I'm beginning to see the same thing. Assuming that the lists have any meaning at all, that is.

[Brother Price]

Excuse me, but...

The site was not hacked. The site is in clear and visible format. All I had to do was Google the name, and I found the site. The information, if they did not want it made public, should not be public.

As for the liberal intelligentsia is concerned, the information is public. I find the entire Tulsa gathering kinda cultist to be concerned about who will know who is going to be in leadership. It reeks of secret society to me.

You can say what you want, but this whole mess is uncalled for. The split is uncalled for. This whole thing is a spiritual disaster, and is really a crying blessed shame.

I thank Jesus that all I see now is the Body. The cons may not want me, but I still love them.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. {John 13:34-35}

If we would just remember this verse, this single solitary verse, we would not have all this us-4-and-no-more mentality.

They are not building for the future, just for their own kingdom and their own glory. If I am too harsh, please excuse me, but this whole thing is a thorn in my flesh. It is painful to see men of faith fight and fuss and separate for the cause of this...personal conviction.

Uncalled for. Simply uncalled for.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by BHILL

KP
How did your church feel about losing the UPC camps, youth functions,bible quizzing and the fellowship with the area UPC churches?AS much as I love My Pastor I would change churches if my pastor turned in his card.I have 4 boys and I want them involved as much as possible in the camps and youth functions.

The church I pastor was 100% in favor of me leaving. It was started by a UPC preacher 25 years ago. He stayed 2 years. His successor had been raised independent, but joined the UPC prior to taking the pastorate. He never spoke against the UPC, but did not build a real "fondness" for the organization in the people. He stayed for almost 11 years before he died of a heart attack. I then became pastor (almost 12 years ago). The church has participated more in the UPC in the 12 years that I have been pastor than in the previous 13 years of their existence. (I have served in a number of organizational positions, including District Superintendent.)

The current superintendent would have no problem if we decided to come to various functions. However, we have so many things going on, and so many youth functions to which we take our young people, that they will not miss our association with the UPC.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

The church I pastor was 100% in favor of me leaving.....

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I thought that was funny too LOL