Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I’m completely dumbfounded, how physical we have become!

That sounds so gnostic, bro. Physical does not equate with evil.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That sounds so gnostic, bro. Physical does not equate with evil.

How should’ve I said it Bro. Blume? To you this has nothing to do with physical man. How should I relate to Sis. Alvear, that people would preach hell, fire, and brimstone to a lady for wearing pants, make up and such like yet there ok with women preachers? When I said Physical, I was referring to that all we see is the outside, we don’t understand what spirit that breeds when a women preaches the word of God to a man. Kind of like what the Lord told Samuel, or what Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for.

[Nicodemus1968]

The defined tithe is 1/10. So if people want tithe to be spiritual then your given 1/10 of your spirit, spiritual work to whatever you choose. Even the poor widow gave everything she had, was that spiritual? When Jesus sent out his disciples they took neither purse... they were to be taken care of, the Bible says the labor is worth of his reward. If you believe your Pastor should busy himself with a physical, carnal, worldly, natural, temporal (trying to use the right words) job, and only able to give 1/3 of his time and energy for the church that’s fine. I agree to the point of the leader of the local assembly will be supported by the church. For the spiritual work of God. A man of God should be available for the work of God 24/7 not having to deal with a secondary job. That’s my opinion. If you’d rather support your Pastor with a big thumbs up and praying for you then that’s your problem, not mine.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

If you believe your Pastor should busy himself with a physical, carnal, worldly, natural, temporal (trying to use the right words) job, and only able to give 1/3 of his time and energy for the church that’s fine.

Acts 20:17-18,26-35 KJV
And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church. [18] And when they were come to him, he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons, [26] Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men . [27] For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. [28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. [30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. [31] Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. [32] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. [33] I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. [34] Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. [35] I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

How should’ve I said it Bro. Blume? To you this has nothing to do with physical man. How should I relate to Sis. Alvear, that people would preach hell, fire, and brimstone to a lady for wearing pants, make up and such like yet there ok with women preachers? When I said Physical, I was referring to that all we see is the outside, we don’t understand what spirit that breeds when a women preaches the word of God to a man. Kind of like what the Lord told Samuel, or what Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for.

I said what I did because I recall that either you or TJJJ said that flesh is wicked and glorified flesh means glorified wickedness, or something to that effect in similar words. And the concept pops up a lot. The bible never speaks of physical like that.I would not say physical but "outward".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

*Disclaimer
Jezebel is a spirit. When I use Jezebel, I’m stating that because that spirit is present into that situation. The only way that spirit can fulfill its desire is through physical means. You look at Jezebel and tell what she desired? The Lord said “suffered that women Jezebel” was he talking about the physical women no he was talking about a spirit.

If a man desires the office of a bishop he desires a good work! Yet, its hard for a women to be the husband of one wife? A women that desires to have the voice of God over a man is Jezebel! Plain and simple, a women can be encouraging, a women can be teachers of younger women, how to raise a home, be obedient to their husbands etc.. Jezebel desires to be king, desires the AUTHORITY Ahab had, and don’t get me wrong, Ahab gave that authority to his Jezebel whole heartedly. Ahabs spirit liked that his wife had authority over him, that’s a perverted spirit. I understand organizations are ok with women preachers, buts it’s perverse. When a women is in the pulpit to preach what thus saith the lord, she wears the pants in the church, home etc.

I agree with everything you said except that "that woman Jezebel" is in fact an actual woman. Eve tried to blame the serpent for her own failure, let's not pepetuate the same slacker excuses. A woman who puts herself (or allows herself) to be put in ministerial authority in the ecclesia is Jezebel, and teaches God's servants to commit fornication (if not literally then "spiritually") and idolatry (the Jesus of the Bible doesn't put women in charge of His church, that's a guy the masses call "Jesus" but who is otherwise known as "Baal"). And you are correct: behind every Jezebel is an Ahab somewhere skulking about allowing such foolishness.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The defined tithe is 1/10.

This is true, as far as it goes. But what is the tithe 1/10 of? God said it was 1/10 of the increase of the flocks, herds and crops of the LAND he gave Israelites. It never was money, not once in the entire Bible. Now it seems that it is never anything BUT money. Does it bother you, that you are taking tithes of something that we have no record of, being tithed in the entire Bible? You talk about the definition of tithes. Show me where tithes was ever rendered in money, in the Bible!

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

So if people want tithe to be spiritual then your given 1/10 of your spirit, spiritual work to whatever you choose.

This is according to your interpretation of a spiritual tithe. I find it interesting and entirely inconsistent, that you see physical in the OT and spiritual in the NT, until it comes to tithe. Then it seems, you want to go to cold, hard, cash. (The SPIRITUAL kind I’m guessing).

If you want to ask, I may be persuaded to share with you, what a real spiritual tithe might look like.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Even the poor widow gave everything she had, was that spiritual? When Jesus sent out his disciples they took neither purse... they were to be taken care of, the Bible says the labor is worth of his reward.

Ahhh, the poor widow story. I’m glad you brought that up. You do realize that the poor widow was given the right to receive tithes from the population of Israel BY LAW. And that law was given to Moses by God himself. Aaaand the money she put in the box was not tithes. You do realize that. Right?

Luke.10

[7] And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Here is Luke’s account. It appears that their “hire” was food and drink. Do tell. That sort of sounds like the tithe, in that neither were money. Of course, it wasn’t tithes, because this story took place under the law. By law the tithe went to Levites, priests, widows, orphans, and strangers. So it is obvious that this passage is NOT referring to tithes. Wouldn’t you agree?

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

If you believe your Pastor should busy himself with a physical, carnal, worldly, natural, temporal (trying to use the right words) job, and only able to give 1/3 of his time and energy for the church that’s fine. I agree to the point of the leader of the local assembly will be supported by the church. For the spiritual work of God.

I believe my pastor, your pastor, and everybody’s pastor should tell the truth about all things in general, and tithes, in particular. The truth is that being a pastor or a preacher, or a prophet or an evangelist, never earned you a tithe in the new or Old Testament. Being a Levite, a widow, a priest, a stranger or an orphan, would get you a tithe, by law. Being a pastor, not so much. (Would you believe, that I have heard of pastors in the churches today, that actually take tithes from widows? It is scandalous, and I’m sure it is a reproach to God. They have no conscience.)

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

A man of God should be available for the work of God 24/7 not having to deal with a secondary job.

Brother, I am a man of God myself, and I survive without tithes. Are you the only man of God in your church? Do the other men of God in your church demand money for being men of God? Or do they do it to serve Him?

Obviously you believe Apostle Paul was out of the will of God, what with his tent building, self supporting, heretical lifestyle then.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

That’s my opinion. If you’d rather support your Pastor with a big thumbs up and praying for you then that’s your problem, not mine.

Thanks for clarifying that this is your opinion. I wouldn’t want anybody to mistakenly believe it was based on scripture.
Has it occurred to you, that if (as I say) you are taking a tithe that you have no right to, you are guilty of being covetous? Please check into what the scripture says about tithing. It isn’t what you think.
God bless you brother, with an understanding of the truth.

[Tithesmeister]

Brother Nicodemus,

It is important to understand what Esaias is referencing with his post about Paul when he met with the elders of Ephesus at Miletus. This was his final meeting with them. He knew he was not going to see them anymore. And he instructed them to work hard to support the weak in the church.

Think about that. He told them to follow his example. Instead of the church supporting him, he was supporting the church. Study it.

[diakonos]

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 KJV

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by diakonos

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 KJV

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Yes. But is this verse referring to tithes?

Did they put tithes on the altar?