Terrorist Attacks In Paris

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Shazeep doesn't even read what we post, why is he going to read evidence from Islamic writings?

Yes I noticed. Nor does he bother to back up his assertions

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes, of course. Planes just be hitting sky scrapers ever day....

[Praxeas]

[votivesoul]

God said He would put His terror upon the heathen nations, and so He did. We read that all of Canaan became weak and afraid, and that their "hearts melted" in fear, like so many living in the world today because a group called ISIS exists, as if our God isn't in control.

God slew 185,000 Assyrians in a night to defend Jerusalem, remember?

My point in all of this has been to say that the name of our LORD is dreadful among the heathens, and one covenant removed, we'd all be marching sword in hand for the glory of God, and His terror would be upon our enemies.

Now imagine how they felt? Imagine how the innocent nine year old Canaanite or Philistinian boy or girl felt watching in horror as his or her parents were run through? Suppose any heads got severed? Any limbs? I'm not trying to be overly graphic, but imagine it for a moment.

Yes, Israel was an instrument of God's judgment upon the heathens. I have no problem with that. I'm not ashamed to have the God of Israel as my God, regardless of how any might accuse of Him, especially because of our Old Testament texts.

So now, take my little hypothetical, and imagine yourself not a Jew, but a Canaanite. You know Israel is coming, and they are coming for your head, and to destroy everything about you, and they have the audacity to claim their Sovereign God, Maker of Heaven and Earth, has sent them to kill you. Now, how do you feel about a foreign enemy claiming their "god" wills your annihilation?

Kind of how we feel when ISIS or Al Qaeda or Iran claims it is the will of their "god" to annihilate us?

I am not trying to create comparisons, although they are indirectly necessary for what I AM TRYING TO DO!

Which is this: create some empathy and help us see this situation through different eyes, from a different perspective.

Case in point: Yesterday, my wife got into a discussion on FB with a pastor from her neck of the woods who insisted God's Word teaches we are only commanded to love the brethren; everyone else is fair game.

Then she got into another discussion/debate with another pastor she used to know, that she grew up with, who claimed what ISIS is doing goes beyond "turn the other cheek", so Christ's commandment doesn't count.

Two Apostolic, Holy-Spirit filled pastors and ministers of the Gospel so blinded by "whatever--take your pick" that even the very teachings and holy commandments of our beloved Savior go by the wayside because you know, these are Muslims we're talking about (as opposed to Romans!).

Before the Lord saved me, I knew what it was like to be swayed and enthralled by evil spirits. I knew an endless misanthropy and self-loathing. I daydreamed of violence and acts of terrorism. In a different part of the world, I would have been ripe for the picking, and could have easily become the very thing we are talking apart: a Manchurian candidate brainwashed into thinking that blowing myself up and taking as many with me as possible was the best thing since sliced al hubz.

So all of this has been an attempt to create compassion in some of my brethren who have heretofore shown precious little, because I have, in my own way, walked in these shoes before, and I have likewise felt the saving grace of God change me, redeem me, and make me a new person, and if God can take what I was and save me, I know He can take the radicalized Muslim and bring him to the cross of Jesus Christ.

It's what both He and I want. It's what I am and have been praying for. How about y'all?

[deacon blues]

Would to God they all be saved.

I still contend that should your wives and/or children be under assault, you would defend them rather than trust God for a miracle.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Shazeep doesn't even read what we post, why is he going to read evidence from Islamic writings?

it isn't that i don't read them--i am just not interested in slander. We have our own copy of law, that we have to answer for; does it define us? I must argue that it seems to! But we are called to grace.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes I noticed. Nor does he bother to back up his assertions

it hardly requires a reference for me to say that speaking poorly of anyone, Muslims in this case, is just mirroring the same talk my secular neighbor next door, or the news, puts out. We are called to remark upon the good. Muhammad insisted that his true followers must emulate Christ, or be doomed.

What i mostly don't get is how a people whose Book is entirely Law are able to practice so much Grace, while we who supposedly have Grace are the virtual givers of the Law in this world.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Would to God they all be saved.

I still contend that should your wives and/or children be under assault, you would defend them rather than trust God for a miracle.

well, why do you even go there? Btw, that is the best description of a Muslim's day i have heard yet

"when i defend myself, i am attacked."

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it hardly requires a reference for me to say that speaking poorly of anyone, Muslims in this case, is just mirroring the same talk my secular neighbor next door, or the news, puts out. We are called to remark upon the good. Muhammad insisted that his true followers must emulate Christ, or be doomed.

What i mostly don't get is how a people whose Book is entirely Law are able to practice so much Grace, while we who supposedly have Grace are the virtual givers of the Law in this world.

Give me some relevant examples of Muslims practicing "grace".

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

What i mostly don't get is how a people whose Book is entirely Law are able to practice so much Grace, while we who supposedly have Grace are the virtual givers of the Law in this world.

Bahahahaha!

Yeah, muslims are so full of grace.