Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Bringing up the collapsed bridge as proof that oxygen-starved kerosene can pulverize into dust a 110 story skyscraper only shows you really didn't research either event.

Read this : http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/l...php?t6584.html

No..it would not pulverize into dust anything. It would weaken the support that holds the structure up.

All you needed to do was weaken the integrity of the i beams. The load above those I beams would do the rest just as weakening the rebar in the concrete of the over pass had become weak the weight of the concrete did the rest

Nobody said the over pass was made of steel. Nobody said the steel melted. If you read what I posted and research the evidence, the heat weakened the metal so that it began to bend. It could no longer support the load it was intended to support. It did not have to melt at all

[Pliny]

Those "moderate Muslims" again:

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani police say they have arrested up to 40 people in connection with the killing of a Christian couple in Punjab province who were beaten, then pushed into a burning kiln after being accused of desecrating the Quran.

Local police officials said a mob from neighboring villages formed Tuesday after a local mullah declared the couple were guilty of blasphemy.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/05/wo...html?hpt=hp_c2



Muslims are obligated to vote based upon how their community tells them to vote. How moderate!

Background: The District of Columbia Muslim Caucus was formed in 2008, during the historic election of President Barack Obama. As an organization, it represents the estimated 20% of DC residents who are Muslim or live in a household together with a Muslim. In the past six years, the DC Muslim Caucus has endorsed scores of winning District candidates, raised thousands of dollars and recruited dozens of volunteers for its endorsed candidates, and mobilized thousands of votes in support of candidates. According to Islamic tenets, Muslims participating in democratic elections are obligated to vote as a bloc based upon a consensus of the Muslim community.
http://www.dcmuslimcaucus.org/election-press-release/

[shazeep]

Well then, Pliny, don't become a Muslim!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well then, Pliny, don't become a Muslim!

Don't worry... I would never do that!

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

1) I condemn the actions of people claiming to be Christians and forced others to convert by force. I condemn the actions of those people who claimed to be Christians and used other means of violence for anyreason

2) The important part "Didn't stop until the early 1900s" but it DID stop. Islam is stuck in the middle ages

No Prax. It didn't stop until they were all dead or moved. Why continue after that?

Then Christian expansion moved to other places. Africa, India, South Asia - anywhere in the world that had indigenous people who were ripe for exploitation and "conversion".

Still continues today. Here and there. When the Christians get the upper hand, which thankfully and today is rarely right?

After all we should not forget that the first amendment was written to protect America from Christian rule, not written by Christians to protect themselves.

The Anti-balaka are Christian and animist militias formed in the Central African Republic after the rise to power of Michel Djotodia in 2013.
As many Christians had sedentary lifestyles and many Muslims were nomadic, claims to the land were yet another dimension of the tensions. In November 2013, the UN warned the country was at risk of spiraling into genocide, was "descending into complete chaos". and France described the country as "...on the verge of genocide". On 2 December, anti-balaka militiamen are suspected to have killed 12 people, including children, and wounded 30 others in an attack on the mostly Muslim Fula ethnic group in Boali, according to the government. This was amidst the Central African Republic conflict under the Djotodia administration.

Early 2014 marked a turning point; hardened by war and massacres, the anti-balaka committed multiple atrocities. In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed by anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country.


The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), a rebel group that seeks the secession of Tripura, North-East India, from the country, has been described as Christian terrorists engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs. The NLFT includes in its aims the forced conversion of all tribespeople in Tripura to Christianity. The NLFT is listed as a terrorist organization in the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002. The state government contends that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT.[25][26][27] Reports from the state government and Indian media describe activities such as the acquisition by the NLFT of explosives through the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, and threats of killing Hindus celebrating religious festivals. Over 20 Hindus in Tripura were reported to have been killed by the NLFT from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity. According to Hindus in the area, there have also been forced conversions of tribal villagers to Christianity by armed NLFT militants. These forcible conversions, sometimes including the use of "rape as a means of intimidation", have also been noted by academics outside of India.[30] In 2000, the NLFT broke into a temple and gunned down a popular Hindu preacher popularly known as Shanti Kali.


Maronite Christian militias perpetrated the Karantina and Tel al-Zaatar massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims during Lebanon's 1975–1990 civil war. The 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre, which targeted unarmed Palestinian refugees for rape and murder, was considered to be genocide by the United Nations General Assembly. A British photographer present during the incident said that "People who committed the acts of murder that I saw that day were wearing crucifixions and were calling themselves Christians." After the end of the civil war, Christian militias refused to disband, concentrating in the Israeli-occupied south of the country, where they terrorized Muslim and Druze villages and forcefully recruited men and boys from those communities into their groups


The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult and guerrilla army, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves.[65] A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism, it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle

Wanna dig some more into this century?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Yeah good stuff. Another lie? The Crusades paled to the tactics used to convert the native americans to Christianity. Didn't stop until the early 1900's when they were either locked up on reservations or all dead.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

1) I condemn the actions of people claiming to be Christians and forced others to convert by force. I condemn the actions of those people who claimed to be Christians and used other means of violence for anyreason

2) The important part "Didn't stop until the early 1900s" but it DID stop. Islam is stuck in the middle ages

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

No Prax. It didn't stop until they were all dead or moved. Why continue after that?

I was quoting you. You can't seriously compare anything Christians do today with what Muslims are doing today all over the world.

That's a joke. Condemn them as I just condemned Christians who do bad stuff and you'll get better feed back.

You never actually did you condemn any of the acts I asked about. Instead you do the "you too" fallacy

Right? See my post again, in no uncertain terms I said explicitly I CONDEMN them

Do you? Do you condemn ISIS?

Do you condemn invading towns, killing all the men and enslaving the women, even making them their brides?

Do you condemn forced conversions?

Do you condemn forcing Christians to pay a special tax?

Do you condemn what happened in Canada recently? Do you condemn the massacre at a Jewish synagogue in Israel just recently?

I do.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

When you make these statements aren't you actually.........lying.......about what the Muslim community says about ISIL?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No. Read my statements again. It was not a blanket statement. I never said there isn't a Muslim anywhere that will do it

But more specifically do YOU condemn what ISIS is doing to Christians, Muslims and others?

Do you condemn the actions recently in Canada by two claiming to be Muslims?

Originally Posted by jfrog

Yea, I noticed that was absent from his page of quotes as well. I thought it was strange or maybe an oversight. Definetely nice to see his page of quotes though

My point...WII never condemned those things I mentioned. Instead he went "Oh yeah? What about these?"

And that goes back to what I said before. Moderate Muslims won't commit to condemning certain actions or groups when asked to.

Jfrog. It's not an oversight. It's a predictable pattern. As can be seen, several times we christians have condemned certain things attributed to Christians but what about Muslims?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I was quoting you. You can't seriously compare anything Christians do today with what Muslims are doing today all over the world.

That's a joke. Condemn them as I just condemned Christians who do bad stuff and you'll get better feed back.

You never actually did you condemn any of the acts I asked about. Instead you do the "you too" fallacy

Right? See my post again, in no uncertain terms I said explicitly I CONDEMN them

Do you? Do you condemn ISIS?

Do you condemn invading towns, killing all the men and enslaving the women, even making them their brides?

Do you condemn forced conversions?

Do you condemn forcing Christians to pay a special tax?

Do you condemn what happened in Canada recently? Do you condemn the massacre at a Jewish synagogue in Israel just recently?

I do.

Me? I've stated my views enough times. You don't get it.

1. I want ISIS nuked. Enough already.
2. I want terrorists to receive the death penalty, and be executed publicly, as they are here in the KSA. Swiftly. As in - take a life in late spring - you should be looking up at the roots of daisies by early summer.
3. This applies to: The boston bomber, the texas base shooter, the terrorists who attacked the synagogue, the Canada shooter, and yeah - every street gangster who shoots up American streets and bus stop
4. Start a hate website in the US selling that terrorist cr-p? Get out. Put 'em on a plane and put 'em with their hopefully soon nuked buddies. No need to land. Just drop em.

Hate speech in the name of religion should not be tolerated. Not Christian and not Islamic.

This is what I believe should happen to terrorists. Here - and there. Define terrorism as deviant thinking and execute the people who apply it that way. You coddle these people in the US. Know this - they aren't coddled and tolerated here.


Published Monday, September 22, 2014


Four Saudi men have been sentenced to death for their role in one of the kingdom's "bloodiest terror cells," official SPA news agency reported.

The agency said late Sunday that a special criminal court in Riyadh jailed "as many as 20" others for between two and 23 years for a variety of crimes.

These included embracing "deviant" thinking contrary to the Quran.

The defendants were also convicted of fighting abroad and purchasing five tons of aluminium nitrate -- which can be used to make explosives.

They were also found guilty of booby-trapping vehicles to kill policemen, carrying out suicide bombings inside the country, planning to explode oil pipelines and killing foreigners as well as Islamic religious leaders, SPA said.

The convicted were given 30 days to appeal the verdicts.

SPA did not say when the offenses occurred but the sentences are the latest in a series since authorities in 2011 established specialized courts to try Saudis and foreigners accused of belonging to al-Qaeda or involvement in deadly attacks in the kingdom from 2003-2006.

PS: The mentioned appeal will take about one day. So don't complain about their "civil rights" after their little nappy terrorist heads are lopped off by new years day.

Any more questions Prax? Your fellow Christians here or in Indonesia or in Malaysia don't pay any taxes. Ancient history. Ask someone else about that. The only taxes we pay are to support YOU back home, not any local government. So we, all of us, would just prefer that you say thank you and move on with that silly tax thing.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pliny

LOL! Typical of Mulism apologists. Never deal with the FACTS. Facts like lying is enshrined in the unholy quran and is encouraged by their perverted profit, you know the profit that married a 6 year old little girl...

Please note this is from a pro-Islamic site.

Age of Aisha at time of marriage with Holy Prophet Muhammad

It is believed on the authority of some Hadith reports that the marriage ceremony (known as nikah, amounting to betrothal) of Aisha with the Holy Prophet Muhammad took place when she was six years of age, and that she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife three years later at the age of nine. We quote below from two such reports in Bukhari.

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]

[3]. Bukhari, Book of Qualities of the Ansar, chapter: ‘The Holy Prophet’s marriage with Aisha, and his coming to Madina and the consummation of marriage with her’. For Muhsin Khan’s translation, see this link and go down to reports listed as Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236.
http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm


They also believe:
"the Holy Prophet Muhammad was the perfect model of Islamic teachings whose example shall forever be binding on every Muslim to follow."


So according to this philosophy ALL Muslims should marry 6 year old little girls. How disgusting!!!

And as is typical the Muslim apologists will never deal directly with the truth. The truth that their profit was a pervert for example or the fact that lying is encouraged by their unholy book. The fact that some "Christians" lie is used to justify their own lying. The fact is Christians do NOT condone lying nor does the Bible. Muslims not only condone lying their unholy book prescribes it.

Typical of you. Except you forgot to pull the beam out of your own eye. So Mohammed brought a 9-yr-old wife into his household over 1400 years ago? Here are your own ages of consent by state, only 150 years ago.

Alabama 10
Alaska -
Arizona 12
Arkansas 10
California 10
Colorado 10
Connecticut 10
District of Columbia 12
Delaware 7
Florida 10
Georgia 10
Hawaii - -
Idaho 10
Illinois 10
Indiana 12
Iowa 10
Kansas 10
Kentucky 12
Louisiana 12
Maine 10
Maryland 10
Massachusetts 10
Michigan 10
Minnesota 10
Mississippi 10
Missouri 12
Montana 10
Nebraska 10
Nevada 12
New Hampshire 10
New Jersey 10
New Mexico 10
New York 10
North Carolina 10
North Dakota 10
Ohio 10
Oklahoma - - 16
Oregon 10
Pennsylvania 10
Rhode Island 10
South Carolina 10
South Dakota 10
Tennessee 10
Texas 10
Utah 10
Vermont 10
Virginia 12
Washington 12
West Virginia 12
Wisconsin 10
Wyoming 10

Delaware stands out. How come? I know I know. Here's why. To hold office in Delaware, you had to be a religious man.

Article 22 shown below is a very strict religious test-oath. Not only did you have to be a Christian, you had to believe in the Trinity and the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

"Every person who shall be chosen a member of either House, or appointed to any office or place of trust, before taking his seat, or entering upon the execution of his office, shall take the following oath, or affirmation, if conscientiously scrupulous of taking an oath, to wit: I _____, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, One God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old Testament and New Testament to be given by Divine Inspiration".

Reworded:

I _____, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, One God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old Testament and New Testament to be given by Divine Inspiration and this gives me and my white protestant peers the full right to be perverts and violate 7-yr-old girls".

Gotta be specially religious to hold office in Delaware in the good old US of A huh? How come you don't address that first, then go back 1400 years when God knows what was practiced in society and bring that up. You think age of marriage or consent is religious or traditional? Speak up.

[shazeep]

zing!