Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/14

[n david]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

WOW! I must have missed that post. Can you re-post it?

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

I have not seen anywhere where anyone accused SP of being a reprobated sinner

Oh sure, no one's come right out and said it verbatim. No con is that stupid. It's the phrases, double entendre's and hidden accusations which are being used here.

Let's recap and look at what's being suggested.

Reprobate means a person is destined for damnation. Sinner is anyone who is not a fellow believer.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have said nothing about SP personally. I have known him for years and at one time enjoyed hearing him. His direction will destroy what his Dad built. I love his parents and for that reason I wish I had kept my comments to myself. Not changed my mind about the good saints leaving I hope they all leave and would not have any problem telling him that. I pray he makes a reversal but honestly I have never seen it done when it is this blatant.
There are already two nonexistent congregations in that city over this very thing and this will probably be no different. I will be judged and measured by the same truth that will condemn him lest he repents.

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Really not the sermons but the direction that I know he is going. Things that I know for a fact that have changed.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have known SP I feel for his Dad and the precious saints who have built that church. I won't go into details but knowing CC1 I can promise you there is more than meets the eye. They are having a backdoor revival as folks exit. As far as his style he has done his share of 'screaming' through the years. I hope every last good saint leaves that place before morning.

Ergo...If SP's direction will destroy what his father built (wait, his father built it?); If SE is praying that SP makes a reversal; If SE believes SP will be condemned lest he repents; if ARP believes SP's direction has changed; and if SE is hoping every good saint leaves...

Obviously SE and ARP don't believe SP is a good guy and definitely not a fellow minister in Christ. He's a reprobate sinner in their eyes. They just don't want to come right out and say it, so they use other phrases to do so.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Oh sure, no one's come right out and said it verbatim. No con is that stupid. It's the phrases, double entendre's and hidden accusations which are being used here.

Let's recap and look at what's being suggested.

Reprobate means a person is destined for damnation. Sinner is anyone who is not a fellow believer.

Ergo...If SP's direction will destroy what his father built (wait, his father built it?); If SE is praying that SP makes a reversal; If SE believes SP will be condemned lest he repents; if ARP believes SP's direction has changed; and if SE is hoping every good saint leaves...

Obviously SE and ARP don't believe SP is a good guy and definitely not a fellow minister in Christ. He's a reprobate sinner in their eyes. They just don't want to come right out and say it, so they use other phrases to do so.

You're still jumping to a conclusion which was never stated.

You must ask the brothers you are accusing (ARP and SE), if they truly believe SP is reprobate. Even Martin Luther at his trial in Worms, Germany was given a chance to recant his writings against the Catholic Church.

I'm not saying these brothers should recant a statement they never made.

I think I beat the snot out of a dead horse on the subject concerning the ministers (who haven't change their own beliefs) who hope congregants leave to find brethren/ministry of like-mindedness, when their own pastor does change his belief.

[Sister Alvear]

Praying for all involved....

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

CC1, why the avatar of DW's book?

I thought it was a good book. I didn't necessarily mean for it to be my avatar for this long but just haven't gotten around to rotating to something else.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You're still jumping to a conclusion which was never stated.

You must ask the brothers you are accusing (ARP and SE), if they truly believe SP is reprobate. Even Martin Luther at his trial in Worms, Germany was given a chance to recant his writings against the Catholic Church.

Again, they will never come right out and actually say it. It's the clever use of phrases and double entendre's you have to sort through to find the meaning.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm not saying these brothers should recant a statement they never made.

So posting the hope that the good members leave the church; that SP is condemned unless he repents; that he's going a different direction; praying that he makes a reversal....what do you think that means?

Seriously? Do you think those kind of statements are kind and supportive of a fellow minister? Or would you agree these kind of statements (especially the bit about being condemned unless he repents) is typically reserved for sinners and reprobates (ie people destined for damnation)?

[n david]

Let's put EB's suggestion to the test:

Steve Epley, AR Pastor:

Do you

1) Believe SP is a sinner
2) Believe SP is condemned to hell/damnation currently unless he repents?

Stop using clever phrases and just come out and say it.

Is he a sinner? Is he going to hell unless he repents?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by n david

This is the kind of malarky that kills people. SP hasn't committed any real sin. But to keep the masses from making an exodus, they have to create the guise that a grievous sin has been committed.

In all fairness I don't think Elder Epley was inferring that there was some sort of personal sin in the life of SP but rather that, as an ultra con, the direction he is taking his church is wrong. With the assumption being that the direction is away from ultra con standards like facial hair on men, short sleeves and possibly worse!

An ultra con always thinks saints should leave a church that doesn't have a mile long list of standards / dress code for folks to follow so I absolutely expect Elder Epley and all the other ultra cons to feel exactly the same way about SP that he expressed.

He never said he took back the validity of what he said just that he wished he had not spoken it in this public forum out of respect for SP's parents.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by n david

Let's put EB's suggestion to the test:

Steve Epley, AR Pastor:

Do you

1) Believe SP is a sinner
2) Believe SP is condemned to hell/damnation currently unless he repents?

Stop using clever phrases and just come out and say it.

Is he a sinner? Is he going to hell unless he repents?

I don't believe either of these things at this point and never said I did.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Again, they will never come right out and actually say it. It's the clever use of phrases and double entendre's you have to sort through to find the meaning.


So posting the hope that the good members leave the church; that SP is condemned unless he repents; that he's going a different direction; praying that he makes a reversal....what do you think that means?

Seriously? Do you think those kind of statements are kind and supportive of a fellow minister? Or would you agree these kind of statements (especially the bit about being condemned unless he repents) is typically reserved for sinners and reprobates (ie people destined for damnation)?

ATTENTION: I'm not calling Brother Pixler a reprobate.

OK, now that I have gotten that out of the way.

Can a reprobate be prayed for?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

I don't believe either of these things at this point and never said I did.

Thank you