How do you almost receive a gift?

[houston]

oh my

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

oh my

That's two words...

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Votive I appreciate the spirit with which you dialogue.

Agreed.... interesting reading... and wonderful that the dialogue is kind and without resorting to vitriol... which really disintegrates discussions once both views descend to that level.

Continue on...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

That's two words...

Lol. But really, we are told to judge by the fruit, are we not? And I don't mean to insinuate that there is none, here, when there very well might be; i just would be compelled to elevate "division" over "blessing."

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Lol. But really, we are told to judge by the fruit, are we not? And I don't mean to insinuate that there is none, here, when there very well might be; i just would be compelled to elevate "division" over "blessing."

Except that you can't overlook that Paul is speaking to the Church of Galatia, regarding the fruit of the spirit, who are already spirit filled.

Galatians 1:1-2 "Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters[a] with me, To the churches in Galatia:..."

Why did Jesus say he had to go away? So that the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, would come.

[shazeep]

Well, i wouldn't deny that--we even have verses that plainly describe the fruit of tongues in the Apostolic Age. However, these cannot be applied to the current day; chiefly because our definition of 'speaking in tongues' seems to have been manipulated?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, i wouldn't deny that--we even have verses that plainly describe the fruit of tongues in the Apostolic Age. However, these cannot be applied to the current day; chiefly because our definition of 'speaking in tongues' seems to have been manipulated?

The evidence hasn't changed since the Holy Ghost was poured out, so I don't know what you mean by manipulated.

[shazeep]

Um, well, i briefly described earlier--but anyone can see the difference in the tongues described in Scripture v what we are told that tongues is today, don't you think? I mean, back then, foreigners heard their own dialect coming from the mouth of someone who seemed to be understood by all, in their native language; today I'm supposed to buy that somehow my prayerful 'groanings,'--which, done properly, should never leave my prayer closet, btw--have become the 'speaking in tongues' that I'm supposed to be able to equate with the examples in the Apostolic Age.

So, i'd have to disagree and say that yes, the evidence seems to have most decidedly changed?

[shazeep]

But really, i am just (participating in an oft-repeated mental exercise, and don't really expect a valid answer at this point) trying to get to the 'fruit' of 'speaking in tongues,' Pentecostal.
Wadr, and with the understanding that tongues provides some (suspiciously Corinthian) feeling of...accomplishment? for some individuals, nevertheless how might the fruit of tongues be best described in a word? Or two?

[Pressing-On]

This is the second time I have posted something that was deleted. Is that happening to anyone else?