Former Memphis area pastor preaching a conference

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by endtimer

THISx10. I work in limited capacity of ministry these days. I am toward the end of a long process (seven yrs)of restoration. My down fall was not of some huge moral failure but of severe burn-out that required time and therapy and ultimately healing from God . I also had a huge struggle with forgiveness that only God could get me through. Please do not take the following comments to be approval of, excusing or over looking sin. While I cant speak from the perspective of recovering from something like TBs situation I can say restoration is a long process that requires an Understanding of the situation,Commitment on the part of the person involved, Patience, Grace and unconditional Love of those close to the situation. Those on the outside need to do the christian thing and pray. The guy on the outside looking in really has no clue what really is going on. From my experience, much of my struggles have been dealing with those that have unrealistic expectations of ministry and me personally. It has taken me years to get to the point where I can talk about this and I plan to share more on this in the weeks to come. Let me add, some people are just bold in their judgements and this only makes things worse. God saw their fault and He is watching our response to it. We need to let God be God in the situation and mind the beams in our own eye.

Too much is placed upon a Minister in an organized church system. Peace and blessings to you brother.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

The talk (and some of it rightfully so) has been about TB being restored to his former glory as head of a church in some capacity. Or that is what I (and probably most) assume when speaking of any apostolic minister of a certain long standing reputation who held the reigns over a sizable church body.

What about the saints in his church, or any congregation which suffers something similar? How long before they should be forced to deal and "sub-mitttt <spit>" to another "man of gawd!" in the same unconditional manner that they had prior to their pastor screwing them over?

I am being rather sarcastic here, but I am also dead serious in my questions.

I understand, good question. I have to respond later. Heading into work, Ill answer later tonight when I get settled into my job.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Too much is placed upon a Minister in an organized church system. Peace and blessings to you brother.

thank you. God really has given me blessings and peace. My life will never be the same after the process He has brought me through. To Him goes the glory.

[CC1]

Anybody gullible enough to be pastored by a warp speed "restored" fallen preacher deserves everything they get if he is not truly restored and repeats his bad deeds. I have zero sympathy. First time shame on him second time shame on anybody stupid enough to follow him before he has proven himself over time and to an accountability group.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by CC1

Anybody gullible enough to be pastored by a warp speed "restored" fallen preacher deserves everything they get if he is not truly restored and repeats his bad deeds. I have zero sympathy. First time shame on him second time shame on anybody stupid enough to follow him before he has proven himself over time and to an accountability group.

Shame on anyone who leaves one man-centric, building-centric romanist system and places themselves in yet another religious system of the same error.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

The talk (and some of it rightfully so) has been about TB being restored to his former glory as head of a church in some capacity. Or that is what I (and probably most) assume when speaking of any apostolic minister of a certain long standing reputation who held the reigns over a sizable church body.

What about the saints in his church, or any congregation which suffers something similar? How long before they should be forced to deal and "sub-mitttt <spit>" to another "man of gawd!" in the same unconditional manner that they had prior to their pastor screwing them over?

I am being rather sarcastic here, but I am also dead serious in my questions.

While I won't comment on TB or his former congregation, I will say that I've had close family go through similar events described in this thread. I have ministered to people that have gone through such hardship. The end result was much damage to the trust of the people. No doudt in my mind they need healing and restoration. I think people are damaged in many ways when these things happen but I think mostly its their trust that takes the hugest hit. Trust in ministry, trust in God, trust in the church, I've even talked with those that lost trust in their own spirituality. As far as submission goes, this is the choice of the indevidual and nobody can make him or her submit. We know real spiritual submission can not happen where trust is vacant. It would take a special pastor to come into a congragation and EARN the trust of the people. I think this is where unconditional love, understanding, commitment and patience on the part of the new pastor would come into play, even if its not resipicated right away. Not just anyone can do this it takes a spiritual person to restore the broken in heart, broken in trust and broken in morality. To paraphrase, If a brother is taken in a fall, you who are SPIRITUAL restore such a one. Unfortunately when a pastor falls, he takes people down with him. It is my firm conviction based on my experience, restoration can happen when an indevidual will confess their hurt, confess their sin (if nessesary) learn to trust again spiritual leaders and ultimately trust God.I could say so much more regarding this and my own experience but I'll save that for another time.

[not4saken]

So...what I'm reading is this:

If a Pastor commits sexual sins, or type of immoral sin- he can be restored, not ONLY as a saint, but as a PASTOR???

No thanks. I'll stay home.

That would be as idiotic as me allowing a convicted pedophile teach my baby girl in SS. He might be forgiven and heaven bound- but he freakin isn't gonna get CLOSE to my child.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by not4saken

So...what I'm reading is this:

If a Pastor commits sexual sins, or type of immoral sin- he can be restored, not ONLY as a saint, but as a PASTOR???

No thanks. I'll stay home.

That would be as idiotic as me allowing a convicted pedophile teach my baby girl in SS. He might be forgiven and heaven bound- but he freakin isn't gonna get CLOSE to my child.

who is saying that? please quote for clarity.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by charity

www.therenewalblog.com

So has anybody registered for this Conference yet? It is just one month away! I am hoping that someone will attend and post updates as to the details of the conference including Reverend Terry Black's speech....er....sermon....er......

[Praxeas]

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