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Old 04-05-2011, 09:07 AM
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Coadie, though no longer Mennonite I still attend the local MCC fund-raisers and still donate.

Growing up we would donate a beef or other animal when they brought the canner in. The irony is, even though we were well below the poverty line ourselves we would never miss the canning days. One of the best things the poor can do is give their time and resources for those less forfunate. It helps keep things in perpsective. Most recently the gubment has outlawed the use of portable canners in our state and they are now doing auctions to raise funds so the canning can be done at other locations.
I am going to a MCC sale this year.
Mennonites butchering and canning meat are now OUTLAWSIf they are not running a USDA inspected slaughter operation, they are OUTLAWS in the eyes of Big Gubment.
This ties into another thread where we see gubment regulation deliberately causes innefficiency. Grain fed beef has a higher cash cost to the farmer than grass fed. The time you buy hanging beef and donate it, you get many less tons of meat for the donation dollar.
Gubment is going into heavy handed food safety regulations which will wipe out small organic farms and farmers markets.
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:09 AM
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Highly recommend this video:

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If you actually took the time to listen/watch, please give feedback.
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Old 04-06-2011, 01:50 PM
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Re: The poor in America

America will have to open it's eyes and scale back the leftist Big Gubment. Gubment is trying to choke growth.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:15 PM
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Re: The poor in America

gubment - A term for the government used by backwards hillbillies.

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gubment
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:18 PM
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gubment - A term for the government used by backwards hillbillies.

lol

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gubment
Either way it's insulting to use such language on the topic of poor people. Whether they are poor white people or poor black people, caricaturing them as ignorant is not only rude, I don't find it especially Christian.

It also sounds both dorky (someone that thinks they are really funny) and offensive.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:20 PM
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America will have to open it's eyes and scale back the leftist Big Gubment. Gubment is trying to choke growth.
Get off your government, Leftist agenda kick. Come back and talk about the poor, if you have something of value to add.

You have an incredibly difficult time staying on topic, and tend to interject your Right-Wing conspiracies and tangents into every single thread on AFF. If you want to make friends, and not eat alone in the lunch room, you should pay closer attention.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:21 PM
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Who is helping the poor? The rich, middle class, or the poor?
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:33 PM
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Who is helping the poor? The rich, middle class, or the poor?
That's your discussion to have if you'd like. And you can beat a competition drum and award a brownie point. It wasn't the intent of this thread, and only became such when government-GOP hounds took over, trampling the topic of poverty, and spitting on poor people in the process, referring to "them" as "leeches" and "lazy people."

Instead of a role call of who is helping, we should ask, what can be done? I'm not indicting an entire social class -- there's enough generalizations in this thread. There are generous philanthropists, scores of Christians, charities, etc doing work here and abroad. There are also middle-class and even poor people helping other poor people. I personally know a man, so radical about bringing hope to the homeless, that he gave up an expensive apartment and moved into their neighborhood (the section of town the homeless are confined in). So your question is answered in a rainbow of colors and a multiple of ways. But it's really not the question.

How we view poverty, how we perceive poor people, and how we see our personal obligation toward them is a Gospel issue, with the only alternative being evil. We can disagree on the topic of how much government policy should be involved in this, where it can be helpful, where it can actually hurt, etc... but what should not be contentious is compassion, mercy and justice.

I strongly encourage anyone interested in this topic to take the time and watch the video I posted. Keller does a wonderful job of describing our biblical mandate, a theology for compassion, and then later even addresses the misdirection of political ideologues. He's a fair and balanced guy But more importantly, he's a guy that brings the Gospel to bear in every situation.

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Old 04-06-2011, 02:38 PM
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Who is helping the poor? The rich, middle class, or the poor?
Depends on the circumstances and how you define, "help."

There can be a clear argument made for the poor as being the only people that truly help the poor.
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gubment - A term for the government used by backwards hillbillies.

lol

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gubment
I can't use the urban dictionary. It has too much vulgarity mixed in.
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