Coadie, conservatives LOVE abortion. (You prove it by using it as a weapon every time the discussion doesn't go your way.) Most conservatives I know use it as a card to play to make political points with the blood of innocents. I was told point blank by a local conservative politician back when I was a RNC Team Leader that he hoped abortion wouldn't go away because it's, "...the most controversial political weapon we have against liberals." (His words, not mine.)
Abortion isn't just a liberal issue. It's also a conservative issue also. Conservatives only throw bandaids at the problem and fail to address the underlying issues. Abortion will never go away, no one was ever prosecuted for murder as a result of abortion, and frankly, like it or not, it's best for the government to step away and leave it in the hands of the mother and not make the problem worse. We as Christians do well to teach our values and enfluence women to choose life.
No judge can overrule a changed heart and mind.
Now please don't try to derail this interesting conversation with the abortion issue. If you wish to discuss abortion, start an abortion thread.
That is what conservatives stand for. We vote to protect babies born here and born as citizens. You have to answer to God about voting for abortion.
You won't be able to ask to start a new thread on judgement day.
You also seem to miss some truth. We do see people killing a pregant woman chardged with 2 homicides. Liberals push legalized violence on the unborn and have the nerve to hint conservatives are violent?
so why do you support abortion? Is this immigration talk just to scratch and claw to fake moral superiority?
I know exactly what you are doing.
One of the things Dems are doing is selfish. It is about hoping for votes from illegals. Dems use ACORN for voter and voter registration fraud and those days are in trouble.
I agree that values don't change when circumstances do... however history will attest that fallen human beings go to great lengths and often do things that betray their values to survive. We have to accept that reality. Also, we live in such a previledged society that we can smugly say stuff like this. I do believe that if most of us were ever in their circumstances we too might be willing to do things we'd never do given the opportunities we have.
I disagree. I wouldn't violate my values to pay my bills or even eat. I believe most people are like myself in that regard.
In this country, we have people that commit crimes with the excuse that they are poor. These people are punished and rightfully so. We don't give them a free pass due to their unfortunate circumstances. If we did, we'd all be living in constant fear. I know I would.
Sadly, we have people living without adequate food, water, or even heat in THIS country, however, hearing stories about criminal activity taking place due to those circumstances is rare.
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That is what conservatives stand for. We vote to protect babies born here and born as citizens. You have to answer to God about voting for abortion.
You won't be able to ask to start a new thread on judgement day.
You also seem to miss some truth. We do see people killing a pregant woman chardged with 2 homicides. Liberals push legalized violence on the unborn and have the nerve to hint conservatives are violent?
so why do you support abortion? Is this immigration talk just to scratch and claw to fake moral superiority?
I know exactly what you are doing.
One of the things Dems are doing is selfish. It is about hoping for votes from illegals. Dems use ACORN for voter and voter registration fraud and those days are in trouble.
This isn't an abortion thread Coadie. I know you love the abortion issue and salivate at the thought of aborted babies because it gives you political fodder to throw at liberals. It's a conservative poly, a strategy. And either you're duped into believing conservatives care or you're on their bandwagon and just using it to attack people. In the judge you'll have the greater condemnation.
I don't support abortion. Please hear me and hear me well. I don't support abortion.
As for Democrats, I know many Democrats who are pro-life and fighting to change things in the Democratic Party's approach to abortion (which is more than what Pro-Life Republicans are doing). Pro-Life Republicans want one party rule....Republican rule. Many Pro-Life liberals see a danger in that. Pro-Life liberals would rather see both parties defending the right to life to some extent. That preserves a multiple party system and assists the cause of life.
You're just a Republican patartisian hack and everyone knows it.
When it comes to abortion I don't trust the government's involvement. I sure wouldn't want the government meddling in me and my wife's life if abortion were presented as a viable procedure to protect her health in some situation. I believe that while abortion is a tragedy it's best left up to individual women without government involvement. I'd reduce abortion by addressing the issues women who choose abortion face, strengthen regulations on clinics making it difficult for them to operate, and most importantly preach the Gospel and a solid life ethic on the issue socially.
I disagree. I wouldn't violate my values to pay my bills or even eat. I believe most people are like myself in that regard.
In this country, we have people that commit crimes with the excuse that they are poor. These people are punished and rightfully so. We don't give them a free pass due to their unfortunate circumstances. If we did, we'd all be living in constant fear. I know I would.
Sadly, we have people living without adequate food, water, or even heat in THIS country, however, hearing stories about criminal activity taking place due to those circumstances is rare.
We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.
Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.
We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.
Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.
The reason they want to justify abortion includes scarcity of resouerces and Americans pollute the planet. Why do you want more Illegals? Just to come here and increase polution.? Another hypocracy. The abortion ordeal tells us who the violnet perps are. And the same liberals want to legalize drugs. More violence.
We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.
Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.
They are free on the other side of the fence. I have been to the other side of the fence many times. American banks are open on the other side of the fence. The Med School in Mexico city allows americans to attend. They can come here and practice. We have free trade. The Fence argument on your part is a red herring. How may times have you been on the other side of the fence?
My relatives have lived on the other side of this FENCE for many decades. It isn't about freedom from dictators. Don't pretend we offer freedom.
We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.
Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.
When did this become a crime?
Jumping our fences is a crime in case the two have become confusing.
And I don't believe we would have to become a police state to enforce our laws.
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This isn't an abortion thread Coadie. I know you love the abortion issue and salivate at the thought of aborted babies because it gives you political fodder to throw at liberals. It's a conservative poly, a strategy. And either you're duped into believing conservatives care or you're on their bandwagon and just using it to attack people. In the judge you'll have the greater condemnation.
I don't support abortion. Please hear me and hear me well. I don't support abortion.
As for Democrats, I know many Democrats who are pro-life and fighting to change things in the Democratic Party's approach to abortion (which is more than what Pro-Life Republicans are doing). Pro-Life Republicans want one party rule....Republican rule. Many Pro-Life liberals see a danger in that. Pro-Life liberals would rather see both parties defending the right to life to some extent. That preserves a multiple party system and assists the cause of life.
You're just a Republican patartisian hack and everyone knows it.
When it comes to abortion I don't trust the government's involvement. I sure wouldn't want the government meddling in me and my wife's life if abortion were presented as a viable procedure to protect her health in some situation. I believe that while abortion is a tragedy it's best left up to individual women without government involvement. I'd reduce abortion by addressing the issues women who choose abortion face, strengthen regulations on clinics making it difficult for them to operate, and most importantly preach the Gospel and a solid life ethic on the issue socially.
What is a "patartisian" hack??
An immigrant to mexico. Slim was born to parents that immigrated to Mexico. Got it???
He is the 2nd or 3rd richest man on the planet. No old money. Mexico is the land of opportunity.
Earlier this year, Our dictator King Hussein Obama siezed GM and fired the chairman over a weekend. No board meeting. This is how thrid world dictators work. foretunately Slim lives in a country with laws. Obama is dangerous to people that run and or own businesses.
so your argument that we see people you call jumping over the fence for freedom isn't very true. You hate conservatives because they can see and express truth.
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I disagree. I wouldn't violate my values to pay my bills or even eat. I believe most people are like myself in that regard.
In this country, we have people that commit crimes with the excuse that they are poor. These people are punished and rightfully so. We don't give them a free pass due to their unfortunate circumstances. If we did, we'd all be living in constant fear. I know I would.
Sadly, we have people living without adequate food, water, or even heat in THIS country, however, hearing stories about criminal activity taking place due to those circumstances is rare.
The book of Daniel was written about a man who's values were not for sale.
Let's supppose he was like Aquila and drank the wine and ate the food for idols. Because everybody is doin it. Worship idols because previous laws against idol worship (abortion is worshipping the gods of Molech) are hard to monitor and enforce.
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