Uh oh...My wedding band is gold (and my husband's).
Yes, which is precisely the reason that we do not wear them! The Bible is clear on the issue. I Ptr. 3 is contextually dealing w/ the married, & it instructs: "not...the wearing of gold."
Think I'll believe God's Word over human tradition.
Note that this scripture is addressing only wives. Are married women allowed to wear clothes, rdp?
this is part of a post by Timlan from a couple of years ago about Marvin Hicks:
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I don't know how embellished this story was but he has a point. It is really one of the best refutations to those who mindlessly and stupidly Polly-Parrot I Peter 3: 3 to condemn wearing a watch or other jewelry.
Here's the scripture in question:
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; (KJV)
Hicks told this anecdote many times in campmeeting messages.
After a campmeeting service he preached Hicks said a 12-13 year old boy approached him.
The boy said: "Preacher, do you believe in wearing a wristwatch?"
Hicks told congregations: "Well, he caught me redhanded. I had one on."
After Hicks told the kid "yes son, it's okay to wear a wristwatch", the boy said "well, have I got a scripture for you" and proceeded to tell the camp evangelist off.
After reading 1 Peter 3: 3 about the "wearing of gold" the boy began to lambast Hicks about preaching a campmeeting with a wristwatch on.
Hicks stopped the boy and calmly told him: "Son, read the rest of that verse. The part about 'apparel.'
The boy said "Apparel? What's that ?"
Hicks: "Son, that's your britches. That's the clothes you wear."
(I've pictured this conversation in my mind's eye over the decades ... it must have been hilarious in person.)
Hicks then told the kid: "Son, I'll make a deal with you. You're chewing me out for wearing a wristwatch and your scripture also says 'the wearing of apparel' in the same verse.
"So I'll make a deal with you, son. I'll take my wristwatch off if you'll take your clothes off."
Well, the kid didn't take the camp evangelist up on his offer.
This was some 30 years ago.
Looking on many pentecostal message boards, it seems a good segment of oneness pentecostalism is no less ignorant.
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Note that this scripture is addressing only wives. Are married women allowed to wear clothes, rdp?
I've already answered this before, but here she goes again [probably to no avail]: The actual Greek of I Ptr. states "....or putting on of apparel ADORNING." Thus, the Greek text isn't saying that women should not wear clothes [honestly, this is not even worth responding to], but rather the context is showy/extravagant/ostentatious apparel based upon the Greek term for "adorning" that appears after the term "apparel," but not after thern "gold." So much for your "bump"!!
Concerning the gender applicability of the verse, are you suggesting that husbands can be decked out in jewels, w/ long braided hair, & fancy apparel?? I thought there was "neither male, nor female" when it comes to salvifical issues???
this is part of a post by Timlan from a couple of years ago about Marvin Hicks:
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I don't know how embellished this story was but he has a point. It is really one of the best refutations to those who mindlessly and stupidly Polly-Parrot I Peter 3: 3 to condemn wearing a watch or other jewelry.
Here's the scripture in question:
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; (KJV)
Hicks told this anecdote many times in campmeeting messages.
After a campmeeting service he preached Hicks said a 12-13 year old boy approached him.
The boy said: "Preacher, do you believe in wearing a wristwatch?"
Hicks told congregations: "Well, he caught me redhanded. I had one on."
After Hicks told the kid "yes son, it's okay to wear a wristwatch", the boy said "well, have I got a scripture for you" and proceeded to tell the camp evangelist off.
After reading 1 Peter 3: 3 about the "wearing of gold" the boy began to lambast Hicks about preaching a campmeeting with a wristwatch on.
Hicks stopped the boy and calmly told him: "Son, read the rest of that verse. The part about 'apparel.'
The boy said "Apparel? What's that ?"
Hicks: "Son, that's your britches. That's the clothes you wear."
(I've pictured this conversation in my mind's eye over the decades ... it must have been hilarious in person.)
Hicks then told the kid: "Son, I'll make a deal with you. You're chewing me out for wearing a wristwatch and your scripture also says 'the wearing of apparel' in the same verse.
"So I'll make a deal with you, son. I'll take my wristwatch off if you'll take your clothes off."
Well, the kid didn't take the camp evangelist up on his offer.
This was some 30 years ago.
Looking on many pentecostal message boards, it seems a good segment of oneness pentecostalism is no less ignorant.
I've responded to this before & again above. I personally know Marvin Hicks, but I believe that he's in error here.
I've already answered this before, but here she goes again [probably to no avail]: The actual Greek of I Ptr. states "....or putting on of apparel ADORNING." Thus, the Greek text isn't saying that women should not wear clothes [honestly, this is not even worth responding to], but rather the context is showy/extravagant/ostentatious apparel based upon the Greek term for "adorning" that appears after the term "apparel," but not after thern "gold." So much for your "bump"!!
Concerning the gender applicability of the verse, are you suggesting that husbands can be decked out in jewels, w/ long braided hair, & fancy apparel?? I thought there was "neither male, nor female" when it comes to salvifical issues???
Sorry Charlie, try again!
Didn't see this before, sorry.
(And my wife just left for some errands. Excuse me, I hafta make a quick phone call! )
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Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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Originally Posted by rdp
Deut. 7:25 references gold & silver. Is. 3 enumerates many ornaments & God calls if "filth" in chp. 4. The clothing articles mentioned there most likely refers to the intertwining of gold & silver into these articles. The entire context of Is. 3 is the ostentatious & extravagant. Sooo many more that I could reference, but pressed for time.
As mentioned earlier, my wife & I do not wear expensive clothing. Indeed, most of my suits come from Wal-Mart, which costs no more than $80. Most of the time I wait for them to go on clearance & get them for around $40.
Again, just because there are some who violate these principles does not mean that you throw out the baby w/ the bathwater. Some claim genuine repentance, but show fruit otherwise. Should we therefore now stop teaching repentance to a lost world?
I'll do ya one better. I simply don't wear suits -and the shorts and dress pants I DO have to occasional put on are usually purchased at Sam's Club for $15 (and very occasionally $20) bucks. Throw in a $15-20 Hawaiin shirt from Kohl's (on the extreme sales rack of course) and you got a whole outfit for 30-45 bucks.
I have to admit though that I recently spent a hundred bucks on a pair of hiking boots which seemed outrageous to me since I almost never wear any shoes over 40, but I could really tell the difference in quality and since we do a lot of hiking it seemed like money well spent.
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Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
I'll do ya one better. I simply don't wear suits -and the shorts and dress pants I DO have to occasional put on are usually purchased at Sam's Club for $15 (and very occasionally $20) bucks. Throw in a $15-20 Hawaiin shirt from Kohl's (on the extreme sales rack of course) and you got a whole outfit for 30-45 bucks.
I have to admit though that I recently spent a hundred bucks on a pair of hiking boots which seemed outrageous to me since I almost never wear any shoes over 40, but I could really tell the difference in quality and since we do a lot of hiking it seemed like money well spent.
You get what you pay for. I usually go for middle of the road, the top end is all brand name, and the bottom end stuff is all out of shape after one wash. i don't do Walmart clothes but I do buy my stuff on sale.
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Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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You get what you pay for. I usually go for middle of the road, the top end is all brand name, and the bottom end stuff is all out of shape after one wash. i don't do Walmart clothes but I do buy my stuff on sale.
You are right. With just about everything you buy, the model in the middle always seems to be the best value. (And no, not everything I buy is THAT cheap. LOL I have experienced my share of ultra-cheap shirts almost unwearable after a single wash. And I might add, washed according to instructions -not just thrown in with the washing machine set to "towels".)
I've already answered this before, but here she goes again [probably to no avail]: The actual Greek of I Ptr. states "....or putting on of apparel ADORNING." Thus, the Greek text isn't saying that women should not wear clothes [honestly, this is not even worth responding to], but rather the context is showy/extravagant/ostentatious apparel based upon the Greek term for "adorning" that appears after the term "apparel," but not after thern "gold." So much for your "bump"!!
Sorry Charlie, try again!
1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
Its funny to me now after years of thinking I knew the word to find out that what I preached was false. To the point that I was just like RDP. So I know I cannot change his mind on this but for those of you with a searching heart, one that will love your brother regardless of his standards or lack there of, I offer this up.
I Peter 3:2 While the world sees your good conduct coupled with fear.
3:3 Whose outward decoration is not based on the putting on of elaborate clothing like elaborated braiding of the hair, and wearing much gold and costly array.
3:3 But is instead comes from the hidden man of the heart, Those things that are not corruptible like a meek and quiet spirit, which is great in the sight of God.
Read it as you see fit. Jewelery has never been a sin the outlandish putting on of costly array and the attitude from which it stemms from is where the sin is.
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