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Old 02-24-2009, 11:39 PM
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If the load that passed through the post office this holiday season were to pass through Ferd, he'd be licking envelopes for the next 602 and a half years, if he averaged one per second (while never sleeping). AND... they'd still not get sent out!!! LOL

C'mon Ferd my man, give it up for the U.S. Postal Service.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:54 PM
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Oh...LOL.... but here's a story in Randy's defense.

Sometimes the contractual obligations are STUPID.

I'm Administrative/Clerical and bargaining unit (union). By contract there are certain things I'm not supposed to do. Well, we had a shipment of paper come in from Office Max. They dropped it off in our lobby. So we had boxes and boxes of paper stacked in our lobby. I teamed up with one of our supervisors (non-union) and began carrying boxes to the storage closet. Well, one of the union stewards walked by and said to me, "Hey, it's not in your contract to lift and move those boxes! You need to call for one of the blue collar attendants to come get these." So I stood there with a box in my hands and asked, "Can I move my office chair?" He said, "Of course..." So I sat my box in my office chair and rolled it to the storage closet and put the box away. I continued moving boxes in this manner until we had it all taken care of. LOL
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I fully understand...but I would like to offer a different perspective.

Now...you and I are Christians. If I sign a contract, as a Christian it is very important to me to abide by that contract and to see to it that management knows that contract, because after all...they signed it too. If I don't abide by the contract and take my breaks, or if I choose to disregard the limitations of my position gratuitously am I not breaking solidarity with those who signed that contract with me? Am I not sending the message that a Christian doesn't abide by an agreed upon contract? And if that weakens solidarity to the point of allowing management to violate that contract am I not contributing to further deteriorating the notion of one keeping to their word, especially in a contract?

I had to lecture a "Christian" employee once who just didn't get it. I had to remind him that he is a Christian and that he essentially signed his name to a contract...that means his word as a Christian is on the line if he doesn't abide by that contract.

I mean...if you can't trust a Christian to abide by a contract...who can you trust? That's why I take my breaks rather I need them or not. It's about my word on a contract and solidarity with those who signed it with me. I'll take a walk and pray if there's nothing I have to do. And I thank God for having two 15's with which I can pray if I need to. Not to mention, if you're on break in an assigned break area with others on break you can discuss non-work related issues...like the Gospel.

Just a few thoughts.
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Ferd, why don't you move to South America or something? I think you'd be more happy there. All you do is complain about our country.
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LOL

See...you're no better than the Post Office!

How many cards did you have to send out? Compare that to the sheer amount of mail going through the Post Office each day (19 billion pieces of mail this holiday season alone). Then compare those items delivered properly with those items lost or late. I think the Post Office has a better track record than you do Ferd!
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If the load that passed through the post office this holiday season were to pass through Ferd, he'd be licking envelopes for the next 602 and a half years, if he averaged one per second (while never sleeping). AND... they'd still not get sent out!!! LOL

C'mon Ferd my man, give it up for the U.S. Postal Service.

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Old 02-24-2009, 11:58 PM
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That is a problem.
We had a Right Wing Government voted in as our Provincial Government in 2001 & they are still in power.
If you go on welfare in B.C. you can only get a maximum of $1,000 a month for housing, food, utilities, for everything.
You can only be on it for a maximum of 24 months at a time & only allowed to be on it twice within 5 years.

Perhaps it isn't the system but the Government?
Ron,

Thanks for reading my mile long post! It was the kind of post I try to avoid because I know when I see one of that length I tend to skip them. LOL.

However I did want to share those stories as they fit in so well with this discussion.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:01 AM
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Is it true that pharmaceutical companies charge Americans much steeper prices than what they charge Canadians? A while ago some senior citizens were suing/trying to get a bill passed to make the PharmaCompanies charge the same prices they were charging Canadians because these seniors were tired of crossing into Canada for the same medicines but at much more affordable prices. They were trying to get a bill passed but I think the PharaCompanies lobbied against it. I guess they won.

Why are we made to pay higher prices for our medicines than Canadians?
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:43 AM
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Is it true that pharmaceutical companies charge Americans much steeper prices than what they charge Canadians? A while ago some senior citizens were suing/trying to get a bill passed to make the PharmaCompanies charge the same prices they were charging Canadians because these seniors were tired of crossing into Canada for the same medicines but at much more affordable prices. They were trying to get a bill passed but I think the PharaCompanies lobbied against it. I guess they won.

Why are we made to pay higher prices for our medicines than Canadians?
Pharmaceutical companies are regulated in Canada in regards to how much & for how long they are allowed to charge Canadians in regards to drug prices.

Also, after a certain time, a Pharmaceutical company is no longer allowed exclusive rights to thier name brand drug, before generics are allowed to enter the market!
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:47 AM
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Pharmaceutical companies are regulated in Canada in regards to how much & for how long they are allowed to charge Canadians in regards to drug prices.

Also, after a certain time, a Pharmaceutical company is no longer allowed exclusive rights to thier name brand drug, before generics are allowed to enter the market!
And whats the problem with America regulating Pharma's here? Would that be too un-American ?
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:08 AM
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Is it true that pharmaceutical companies charge Americans much steeper prices than what they charge Canadians? A while ago some senior citizens were suing/trying to get a bill passed to make the PharmaCompanies charge the same prices they were charging Canadians because these seniors were tired of crossing into Canada for the same medicines but at much more affordable prices. They were trying to get a bill passed but I think the PharaCompanies lobbied against it. I guess they won.

Why are we made to pay higher prices for our medicines than Canadians?
We're not made to pay higher prices. We're allowed to pay MARKET prices. Canadians have the price controls on them which is absorbed by US market.

Simply declaring that something cannot be sold for over x amount of dollars -and then having everything all rosy, is a fantasy. What is the US government made a law that states that gas could not be sold for more then 1.50 a gallon? Sadly there are many people who think that that SHOULD be done and would work! But why stop at 1.50? Why not simply make a law that gas cannot sell for more than a quarter a gallon?

Back to drugs. It may costs pennies to make an individual pill -but as the saying goes, that FIRST pill costs a billion and a half dollars! Drug companies still research and bring them to market because they know they will eventually recoup their investment -despite Canada and other countries forcing them to sell them at a loss. America makes up the difference.
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:13 AM
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What about seniors that must chose between a bottle of pills and eating that week?

Are the Americans that are skipping over to Canada to buy affordable medicine un-American or are they doing what any sane patriot would do?
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:16 AM
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People will use any option they have. If "I" need a drug which cost more then I had and could get it half price in Mexico or Canada (and assuming it was SAFE -big assumption), I probably would.
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:17 AM
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Lets annex Canada. They are too European-y to share a border with us.
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