Changing Denominations

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

That was a very compassionate post...

Thanks, Sis A. Almost every post I write out here, I duck, knowing a shoe will be thrown from some direction. I appreciate the encouragement.

[Amos]

The fact is my heart aches for Rhoni and those like her.

But for the grace of God, I could be right there.

The Lord knows I have suffered plenty, some of it in the "house of my friends."

But Brothers and Sisters, at the end of the day, you have to get your eyes off the failures of humanity and on the faithfulness of God.

Truth is worth hanging on to.

Do you really think the only churches that have knuckleheads in them are Apostolic churches?

There are bitter ex-Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, you name it.

I do find it a bit odd that the prevailing mindset here is "Give Rhoni a pass for railing against Apostolics, calling them cultic, etc, but God forbid someone take exception to it."

Are we so warped in our thinking and so immersed by the spirit of the age that someone wearing the mantle of "Victim" can get by with murder, but no matter how ugly their word or vitriolic their attitude, "tough love" responses get labeled as harsh, judgmental, unchristian, etc?

Rhonda is not a new convert.

Does she merit compassion?

Absolutely.

Will it help her to coddle her and make her feel cozy with her bitterness?

No way.

I think it would be very good for some to take a long hard look at the mindset revealed by this little tempest in the AFF teapot.

Everybody gets compassion except those who object to being called cultists.

And you wonder why so many conservatives don't feel comfortable here anymore?

Wake up and smell the gumbo, folks.

[ILG]

This might not be exactly what AMos meant, but this is how this reads TO ME.

The fact is my heart aches for Rhoni and those like her.

But for the greace of God, I could be right there.

The grace of God is sufficient for me (Amos), but somehow not for some others of us.

The Lord knows I have suffered plenty, some of it in the "house of my friends."

But Brothers and Sisters, at the end of the day, you have to get your eyes off the failures of humanity and on the faithfulness of God.

I (amos) have managed to take my eyes off the failures of humanity and put them on God and you have not. Therefore, be like me and not like yourself, who is less than me.

Truth is worth hanging on to.

You have let go of truth and I (Amos)have not.

Do you really think the only churches that have knuckleheads in them are Apostolic churches?

You are so narrow-minded you think the only churches with knuckelheads are Apostolic churches.

[

B]There are bitter ex-Baptists, Methodists, Eiscopalians, you name it.[/B]

There are lots of bitter people.

I do find it a bit odd that the prevailing mindset here is "Give Rhoni a pass for railing against Apostolics, calling them cultic, etc, but God forbid someone take exception to it."

Since you don't agree with me (Amos), you think Rhoni should be given a pass, but all Apostolics should not. Rhoni can call us cultic but we are not allowed to be rude, crass and nasty like we should be.

Are we so warped in our thinking and so immersed by the spirit of the age that someone wearing the mantle of "Victim" can get by with murder, but no matter how ugly their word or vitriolic their attitude, "tough love" responses get labeled as harsh, judgmental, unchristian, etc?

We (the Amos's) give only tough love and are never obnoxious, rude or know-it-alls even though we are never victims of anything because we are so spiritual. If someone has been hurt, they should be given a kuckle sandwich, right in the kisser to make them shut up, pure and simple.

Rhomda is not a new convert.

Does she merit compassion?

Absolutely.

Rhonda does merit compassion but the compassion I (amos) give is the right kind. "Tough love" yes, a kuckle sandwich in the kisser about how spiritual I am because I never show my true feelings like she does.

WIll it help her to coddle her and make her feel cozy with her bitterness?

No way.

Yes, indeedy, what will help her is to be told what a loser she is for leaving The TRUTH and what a winner I (amos) am because I never did the same. I sucked it up and by the Lord almighty, she should too.

I think it would be very good for some to take a long hard look at the mindset revealed by this little tempest in the AFF teapot.

I (amos) can see and you need to be reminded to see.

Everybody gets compassion except those who object to being called cultists.

If we (the Amos's) are bruised, we deserve compassion because we are NOT cultists, poor, poor us. We were called NAMES!! But if you have trouble because you lost your life-calling, your livelihood and your marriage, suck it up baby, and get spiritual!! Being called names is MUCH worse than anything you've been through so follow us and learn how to not be a whiner!

And you wonder why so many conservatives don't feel comfortable here anymore?

Wake up and smell the gumbo, folks.

I (Amos) don't have a clue why people are leaving the UPC in droves, but I can't handle being called a cultist, no sirree.
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Okay, I was very, very naughty in writing this. But it sure felt good.

[Sister Alvear]

sometimes we all whatever camp we are in need a fresh baptism of love...No, love is not a charismatic thing as some have called it love is a Christian thing...by this shall all men know ye are my disciples...LOVE....
Rhoni and I do not see eye to eye...in fact few of us see eye to eye...however whatever direction she may take when my name is called she does not have to say I am apostolic or Pentecostal as long as she says, Janice is a Christian...to me that is the most important thing...
Names and titles mean nothing to me...however the word Christian means everything to me...I hope I make the world think of Christ...that is why they were first called Christians...they made people think of Christ...

[Amos]

Originally Posted by ILG

This might not be exactly what AMos meant, but this is how this reads TO ME.



The grace of God is sufficient for me (Amos), but somehow not for some others of us.



I have managed to take my eyes off the failures of humanity and put them on God and you have not. Therefore, be like me and not like yourself, who is less than me.



You have let go of truth and I have not.



You are so narrow-minded you think the only churches with knuckelheads are Apostolic churches.

[

There are lots of bitter people.



Since you don't agree with me, you think Rhoni should be given a pass, but all Apostolics should not. Rhoni can call us cultic but we are not allowed to be rude, crass and nasty like we should be.



We give only tough love and are never obnoxious, rude or know-it-alls even though we are never victims of anything because we are so spiritual. If someone has been hurt, they should be given a kuckle sandwich, right in the kisser to make them shut up, pure and simple.



Rhonda does merit compassion but the compassion I give is the right kind. "Tough love" yes, a kuckle sandwich in the kisser about how spiritual I am because I never show my true feelings like she does.



Yes, indeedy, what will help her is to be told what a loser she is for leaving The TRUTH and what a winner I am because I never did the same. I sucked it up and by the Lord almighty, she should too.



I can see and you need to be reminded to see.



If we are bruised, we deserve compassion because we are NOT cultists, poor, poor us. We were called NAMES!! But if you have trouble because you lost your life-calling, your livelihood and your marriage, suck it up baby, and get spiritual!! Being called names is MUCH worse than anything you've been through so follow us and learn how to not be a whiner!





I don't have a clue why people are leaving the UPC in droves, but I can't handle being called a cultist, no sirree.
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Okay, I was very, very naughty in writing this. But it sure felt good.

Nice job, Sis.

You made my point for me.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Amos

The fact is my heart aches for Rhoni and those like her.

But for the grace of God, I could be right there.

The Lord knows I have suffered plenty, some of it in the "house of my friends."

But Brothers and Sisters, at the end of the day, you have to get your eyes off the failures of humanity and on the faithfulness of God.

Truth is worth hanging on to.

Do you really think the only churches that have knuckleheads in them are Apostolic churches?

There are bitter ex-Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, you name it.

I do find it a bit odd that the prevailing mindset here is "Give Rhoni a pass for railing against Apostolics, calling them cultic, etc, but God forbid someone take exception to it."

Are we so warped in our thinking and so immersed by the spirit of the age that someone wearing the mantle of "Victim" can get by with murder, but no matter how ugly their word or vitriolic their attitude, "tough love" responses get labeled as harsh, judgmental, unchristian, etc?

Rhonda is not a new convert.

Does she merit compassion?

Absolutely.

Will it help her to coddle her and make her feel cozy with her bitterness?

No way.

I think it would be very good for some to take a long hard look at the mindset revealed by this little tempest in the AFF teapot.

Everybody gets compassion except those who object to being called cultists.

And you wonder why so many conservatives don't feel comfortable here anymore?

Wake up and smell the gumbo, folks.

Amos, I appreciate this post.

My heart is sad because the other conservatives don't feel comfortable here anymore.

I'm glad you are still here.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Amos

Nice job, Sis.

You made my point for me.

Yup, I think I made a great point when I said that you can't handle being called a cultist without whining but Rhoni is supposed to handle losing her life-calling, her church heritage and her marriage and just suck-it-up! Good grief, Amos, have a little compassion. I was simply rewriting the post as what I read you to be writing. I wasn't saying those things myself to you or to anybody else.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Tina

Amos, I appreciate this post.

My heart is sad because the other conservatives don't feel comfortable here anymore.

I'm glad you are still here.

Well, I appreciate the kind words, Sister.

I don't read her a whole lot anymore, and don't post too often.

And that is cool. I certainly have no desire for anyone to "plead with me" to "stick around."

I come by when it suits me and post when I take a notion.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by ILG

This might not be exactly what AMos meant, but this is how this reads TO ME.



The grace of God is sufficient for me (Amos), but somehow not for some others of us.



I have managed to take my eyes off the failures of humanity and put them on God and you have not. Therefore, be like me and not like yourself, who is less than me.



You have let go of truth and I have not.



You are so narrow-minded you think the only churches with knuckelheads are Apostolic churches.

[

There are lots of bitter people.



Since you don't agree with me, you think Rhoni should be given a pass, but all Apostolics should not. Rhoni can call us cultic but we are not allowed to be rude, crass and nasty like we should be.



We give only tough love and are never obnoxious, rude or know-it-alls even though we are never victims of anything because we are so spiritual. If someone has been hurt, they should be given a kuckle sandwich, right in the kisser to make them shut up, pure and simple.



Rhonda does merit compassion but the compassion I give is the right kind. "Tough love" yes, a kuckle sandwich in the kisser about how spiritual I am because I never show my true feelings like she does.



Yes, indeedy, what will help her is to be told what a loser she is for leaving The TRUTH and what a winner I am because I never did the same. I sucked it up and by the Lord almighty, she should too.



I can see and you need to be reminded to see.



If we are bruised, we deserve compassion because we are NOT cultists, poor, poor us. We were called NAMES!! But if you have trouble because you lost your life-calling, your livelihood and your marriage, suck it up baby, and get spiritual!! Being called names is MUCH worse than anything you've been through so follow us and learn how to not be a whiner!





I don't have a clue why people are leaving the UPC in droves, but I can't handle being called a cultist, no sirree.
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Okay, I was very, very naughty in writing this. But it sure felt good.

Wow. I'd really like to respond to this, but I need to go pray first so that I can do so with a right spirit. I'll be back later.

[Sister Alvear]

Amos, did you say gumbo?Sure could eat some right now! Love that stuff...