Well, in reviewing journals I've learned a infant's heart begins functioning at 5 weeks, so technically, they're in the process of becoming a human-being prior the 5 weeks.
It's the woman's right to bear a child with her husband, and no rapist should infringe that right! For this reason I find an exception with abortion.
Ferd, from my understanding you're a father? Lets pretend your daughter was 21, and she's 2 months from wedding her husband. You then found out she was raped and became pregnant.
Should she keep this child?
Before 5 weeks then what is it if not Human? Even after being born Humans go through many stages of development. Infancy, Pre-teens, Teens, Adulthood etc etc....
So isn't that pre 5 week fetus still just a Human, created in God's own image in human stage of development?
At what point is that fetus considered a human?
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Before 5 weeks then what is it if not Human? Even after being born Humans go through many stages of development. Infancy, Pre-teens, Teens, Adulthood etc etc....
So isn't that pre 5 week fetus still just a Human, created in God's own image in human stage of development?
At what point is that fetus considered a human?
Actually Prax 1C was speaking to a point I made.
i believe that life begins when blood cells appear. the bible says that the life is in the blood.
blood appears somewhere around the 20th day.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
Legally that could be rape since she cannot consent if she is drunk.
I think there is a problem with that. What if the guy is drunk too? She says "yes", but later says "Oh I was drunk, I did not really want to do it".
If she is so drunk that she can't give an answer then that should be rape. On the other hand if she got so drunk that she said yes when she would otherwise have said no then she should not get drunk because the guy simple does not read minds or know she would have said no if not drunk.
Same thing with driving a car....if you can't drink and drive either don't drink and drive or don't drink at all.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Ultimately God was referring to the tearing down of the dividing wall. I just read this yesterday in Ephesians
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility Eph 2:15by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
Prax, God bless ya. I'm not saying that eating meat is a sin. But gluttonous and undisciplined eating that destroyes the body is just as bad as abusing alcohol or smoking.
i believe that life begins when blood cells appear. the bible says that the life is in the blood.
blood appears somewhere around the 20th day.
well the same questions are not just for him but everyone. If that fetus is a human being at any stage how can we terminate that life for the reasons given? It is still a human life. The criminal was the rapest, not the girl or the fetus.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Prax, God bless ya. I'm not saying that eating meat is a sin. But gluttonous and undisciplined eating that destroyes the body is just as bad as abusing alcohol or smoking.
I didn't suggest you did say eating meat was a sin. I was simply pointing out that when God spoke to Peter about Food that though it was directly about the Gentiles it was ultimately about what God was or did with the law.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
well the same questions are not just for him but everyone. If that fetus is a human being at any stage how can we terminate that life for the reasons given? It is still a human life. The criminal was the rapest, not the girl or the fetus.
on this point i agree more with you than he....
but where you and I may depart is that i firmly belive that life begins when the first bloodcell forms. my belief is based on scripture.
others believe life begins at conception. I simply cannot agree with that biblically.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I didn't suggest you did say eating meat was a sin. I was simply pointing out that when God spoke to Peter about Food that though it was directly about the Gentiles it was ultimately about what God was or did with the law.
Linear Mode
