No Double Dipping? General Board votes against ..

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

considering i do the yearly mailing list for the AWCF and just spoke to Bishops Smiths son on the phone for a hour two nights ago (former IBC roomie) I think alot of folks misunderstand what the AWCF is. It is simply a networking group, its not a affiliation, while it can and sometimes does issue cards, its fairly rare and usually only for the independents who just want something to call their own. Its major purpose is to have leaders and ministers of various fellowships come together. If you go to a AWCF event you will see Apostolic Assemblies men, UPCI, PAW, ALJC, you name it simply developing relationships, having business card swaps, and meeting each other.

When folks say this or that about us allowing this person or that person in due to doctrinal differences... please understand that its purpose is to bring folks together. Thats why you can have Brother Tek (who has some legit gripes about the UPC Foreign Missions Division also) and Kenneth Philips sitting on the same stage along with a PAW bishop and others like the Shatrovs (who survived massive persecution under the Soviets and would have gladly joined the UPC but for heavy handed FMD stuff).

So don't compare apples to oranges (to use a popular term).. the AWCF isn't looking to swipe anyone nor do they visit missions fields to feel out who wants to join a fun new group or anything like that. Even the UPC brothers are encouraged to stay in the UPC just like the PAW, Apostolic Assemblies, ALJC, etc etc etc are.... its literally just a "chamber of commerce" for Apostolics, if thats the right illustration.

Pardon my ignorance.

But I thought that was why people chose to join the UPC.

I mean for fellowship.

Is that fellowship no longer good enough for some reason?

[Jehoram]

If the board hadn't taken action we could have eventually had a two party political system complete with separate organizational bylaws and party platforms.

NCO (or some other group) equals libs.
WPF equals cons.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Pardon my ignorance.

But I thought that was why people chose to join the UPC.

I mean for fellowship.

Is that fellowship no longer good enough for some reason?

Depends, alot of UPC brothers enjoy meeting fellow ministers, pastors and evangelists from other fellowships. Also it has built strong bridges between foreign local churches and US churches that support it directly. A good example would be one of my relatives who met a bishop from Cameroon, and he went out and taught over 200 of their pastors doctrine and leadership skills, this year he was unable to make it so he sent a UPCI elder pastor and it was a great time for all. My uncle did the same this year for another national church in Malaysia. Half the fun is meeting all of the various overseas leaders who come in like Bro. Wyle Almeda, etc etc.

In San Diego recently they hosted a inter-apostolic meet and greet at Bro. Saragosa's church in National City that was put together by one of our coordinators Efraim Valverde, it was a good mix of PAW, AA, UPCI and others.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

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In San Diego recently they hosted a inter-apostolic meet and greet at Bro. Saragosa's church in National City that was put together by one of our coordinators Efraim Valverde, it was a good mix of PAW, AA, UPCI and others.

Sounds great.
Apostolic Pentecostals from different organizations fellowshipping around the name of Jesus and willing to overlook minor doctrinal differences. Really in the spirit of Ephesians 4:1-7 and John 17:11, 20-21 in my opinion.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Sam

Sounds great.
Apostolic Pentecostals from different organizations fellowshipping around the name of Jesus and willing to overlook minor doctrinal differences. Really in the spirit of Ephesians 4:1-7 and John 17:11, 20-21 in my opinion.

Yup, its a great thing.

www.awcf.org

[SDG]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I believe you have the NCO confused with the AWCF (not a slam I have GREAT respect for Bishop Smith and the AWCF!!)

Could you please name a single NCO member who espouses ANY of doctrines you listed??? Come on just ONE?????

It's more theatrics ...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Annnnnnd, anyone believing this new "edict" will not be challenged is living in fantasy land.

And I do mean legally.

Will there be a lawsuit??? ... that could be really ugly. They'd lose ...but it would drag all thru the mud.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

If the board hadn't taken action we could have eventually had a two party political system complete with separate organizational bylaws and party platforms.

NCO (or some other group) equals libs.
WPF equals cons.

Did this action also qualify the NCO as an org ... or was this a unilateral action against WPF.

[stmatthew]

So has this been confirmed now??

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So has this been confirmed now??

Oh yeah ... big time ...