Born at faith?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It's full of condescension without presenting any proof or "theology" to back up what he says. I'm not jesting.

Wow, I must have read it back words or something...I never saw any of that.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you may find some frustration with this, Adino. There is the Water and Spirit mindset that is so ingrained in this current generation of Apostolics that many will either be puzzled by your question or feel threatened by it.

I am neither puzzled nor threatened by it.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Wow, I must have read it back words or something...I never saw any of that.

He's using a very broad brush and painting over anything and anyone that says being born again is encapsuled in Acts 2:38 whether they know why they believe it because they have studied it or just because someone told them

[drummerboy_dave]

Pelathais, I'm not sure I understand the tone of your oratory, but it seems disturbing to me and sadly overdramatic. But then, you're probably just trying to live up to your sig line.

No man will ever be able to define God. Those who think they can are fooling themselves.

[drummerboy_dave]

I voted no in both your polls.

What does "converts to faith" suppose to mean?

[Adino]

Thanks to all who have voted thus far.

I'll define the term "converts to faith" here as I did in the other poll:

I mean is a man born of the Spirit the moment his heart converts from unbelief to belief (faith) in Christ?

At the conversion of the heart to Christ. The moment the heart is awakened to an acceptance of Christ. At this moment is the heart born of the Spirit?

Hope this helped, if not, please feel free to ask for further clarification.

Pelathais, I hear you, Bro.

[SDG]

Um .. yeah.

[Scott Hutchinson]

There is nothing with rethinking or reexaming one's core beliefs ,one must know what they believe and why they believe it.
One must rightly divide the word.
All people are given the measure of faith ,so just having faith doesn't make one converted, I think what one does with their measure of faith comes into play here.
Isn't receiving the Holy Spirit the same as being baptized with The Spirit ?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Most of the time I enjoy your posts. This one sucks!

It's full of generalization's and judgemental garbage.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It's full of condescension without presenting any proof or "theology" to back up what he says. I'm not jesting.

Shirley, you jest. Mizpeh, however has other concerns. So while I am happy that I was able to help Shirley, I am saddened that I missed the mark with Mizpeh.

The post was a generalization. I don't think it was judgmental, however. I didn't say that the group painted by my large brush had "lost out with God" or was headed for damnation. Ironically, those under the brush would not hesitate to send me to hell for my facial hair and the waxed tip shoe laces in my wingtips. I guess that's why I don't see the "condescension" in my post either.

The only "proof" I offer is the resonance that others find with what I said. If someone doesn't find the same resonance there is no need to assume I was intending to paint them. Sometimes we just come away from a lifetime of experience with different impressions.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

There is nothing with rethinking or reexaming one's core beliefs ,one must know what they believe and why they believe it.
One must rightly divide the word.
All people are given the measure of faith ,so just having faith doesn't make one converted, I think what one does with their measure of faith comes into play here.
Isn't receiving the Holy Spirit the same as being baptized with The Spirit ?

The early Pentecostals didn't see it that way. There was a variety of explanations that were applied with varying degrees of success. Within the OP movement the doctrine of the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" being equated with salvation itself came much later before taking the predominant place that it holds today.