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Old 11-11-2007, 07:54 AM
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The Blood was applied to the mercy seat in the heavenlies over 2,000 years ago.

We appropriate Its benefits by our faith--demonstrated by obedience to the Gospel.
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The Blood was applied to the mercy seat in the heavenlies over 2,000 years ago.

We appropriate Its benefits by our faith--demonstrated by obedience to the Gospel.
Jesus is the mercy seat ...

you name the temple furniture ... and it's found in Him. He's the High Priest and the Tabernacle of God.

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To simplify, to bring atonement for the nation of Israel, the High Priest Aaron, on the Day of Atonement had to take the blood of the sacrifice into the Most Holy Place (the place representing God’s throne room) and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat (the place of atonement). This is an Old Covenant picture of what Jesus Christ does to achieve atonement under the New Covenant. It also gives a graphic answer to the next three questions: “Who applies the Blood?,” “Where is the blood applied?” and “When is the blood applied?”

Who Applies the Blood?
We know that Jesus is the “Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world” (John 1:29,36). It is His blood that is shed for the forgiveness of our sins (Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5). We are justified by the blood of Jesus (Romans 5:9). But, Jesus is also the Great High Priest who applies the blood (Hebrew 9:7-12). He shed His blood on Golgotha and thereby applied it by dying on the Cross (Colossians 1:20; Hebrews 13:12). The effect of the blood is the effect of Jesus’ death (Hebrews 9:16-18). Because of His death in our place, he suffered the penalty of sin(1 Peter 2:24). But, because He was perfect in obedience, he cannot remain dead (Acts 2:24-28). God justifies Jesus, by raising Him from the dead (1 Timothy 3:16). Then Christ is taken up into Heaven by God, because He had finished His purpose on the earth (John 16:10-28; John 19:30; Hebrews 10:12-13). Now, as the ascended Lord of the Church, he acts as our Great High Priest. He ever lives to make intercession for us (Hebrews 2:17-18; 7:25-27). He presents his own sacrifice eternally to the Father on our behalf (Revelation 13:8). It is Jesus, the Great High Priest who applies the blood.


Where is the Blood Applied?
There is a sense that the pattern of activities performed by the high priest under the Tabernacle/Temple system are fulfilled in Christ’s priestly ministry. The High Priest entered the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement, bearing the blood of the congregational sacrifice. There he would sprinkle the blood of the bull on the mercy seat or place of atonement to reconcile Israel to God. Jesus the true and only Sacrifice, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, ascended into Heaven as the Great High Priest, bearing His own blood on Himself, because He was the true mercy seat (hilasmos). Paul says, “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;” (Romans 3:25 KJV).

The word “propitiation” is hilasterion. It is the word translated “mercyseat” in Hebrews 9:5. Jesus is called the mercy seat, the hilasterion, the propitiation, the place of atonement. There is no greater place to “apply” the blood than on Jesus himself. Jesus, as the Great High Priest, applies the blood. He uses the Cross like the priests hyssop and sprinkles the people with salvation. Jesus, makes the Cross the seat of mercy since he is the propitiation or the mercy seat. This is where the blood is applied. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
When is the Blood Applied?

Rather than ask “When is the blood applied?” we should ask when was the penalty for sin paid. The Bible teaches us that it was paid by Jesus when he died. It also tells us where Jesus died – He died on the Cross. It is when Jesus died that the blood was applied. Hebrews is emphatic that Jesus presents himself as an atoning sacrifice once.

For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another – He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. (Hebrews 9:24-28 NKJV) This means his death takes place at a particular moment of history. He died once. There was only one sacrifice for all time. Thus, his blood was shed once, for all time. It was applied once for all time two thousand years ago outside the city wall of Jerusalem on the Cross of Calvary. It only needs to be applied once because “by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.” (Hebrews 10:14 ESV). The blood was applied once for all time on the Cross. This one shedding of Jesus blood is sufficient to take away the sins of the whole world, and more, to cleanse the Heaven itself (Hebrews 9:24).

Jesus as the Lamb and as the High Priest presented his blood – His proof of death on the Cross. As he hung on the Roman stake with his blood running down his body and onto the ground He was presenting his offering. It was upon His death that Jesus cried, “It is finished!” The wrath of God was satisfied. The penalty was paid. The veil of separation was rent. All this happened because Jesus died for us. And Jesus’ blood is the proof of it.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:50 AM
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Being unlearned and unscholarly, I don't have a long answer. Don't need one. IMO, the Blood was shed at Calvary when Jesus died for our sins. That is when the ultimate price was paid for our salvation. It stands to reason, then, that the Blood is "applied" to our souls when we die to sin at Repentance. Paul said, "I am crucified with Christ..." We die to sin at Repentance, His Blood washes away our sin (Forgiveness of sins). At Baptism, our sins are forevermore BURIED with Him. Our sins are buried when we are baptized in His Name and we are released from the penalty of sin (remission of sins). Then, we are raised with Him in NEW LIFE through the inception of the Holy Ghost.

DEATH- BURIAL- RESURRECTION
Repentance- Baptism- Holy Ghost

The Blood cannot be "applied" at baptism because It was shed at Calvary (His Death). His Body (which had become sin) was BURIED at the tomb. Likewise our sin is buried (done away with) at Baptism. We are then raised on the 3rd day (3rd Step) through the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
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If The Blood was applied to the entire human race at Calvary ,why the need for a borned again experience ? Also then how can those who don't believe in Christ perish ?If one perishes that doesn't sound like delieverance.
If your great uncle left you ten million bucks in a trust fund, you would BE a very wealthy man, yet you would still have to access the trust fund to experience the wealth.

Jesus it the door to the life, that He has paid for you and every human, yet some will waste (perish) their physical life before they come to know the money is already in the bank.
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Jesus as the Lamb and as the High Priest presented his blood – His proof of death on the Cross. As he hung on the Roman stake with his blood running down his body and onto the ground He was presenting his offering. It was upon His death that Jesus cried, “It is finished!” The wrath of God was satisfied. The penalty was paid. The veil of separation was rent. All this happened because Jesus died for us. And Jesus’ blood is the proof of it.
Why can't we understand the free gift of God? Godly living is a natural outflowing of our receiving what Jesus accomplish at the cross. Any effort on our part is and should be a response to what has happen, because our effort in no way makes us righteous.
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:14 PM
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The blood is applied when your sins are forgiven. We are washed in water baptism. Ananias said so.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
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uhm... I think that's crakjak's point, there Prax.
Right! At least not in the "literal non consuming endless torture without any hope" variety.
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The blood is applied when your sins are forgiven. We are washed in water baptism. Ananias said so.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
In Acts 22 I see two commands .... Go and be baptized .... and call upon the name of the Lord, washing your sins ....

In your theology it is the calling upon the proper name of the Lord, over the believer, by the baptizer that effectuates sin washing by the blood and causes a necessary part of salvation ....

Yet Ananias tells him, the baptizee, call on the name, washing his sins .... which one is it Mizpeh?
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From 1957 until some time in the 1963/1964 time period I was part of the First Apostolic Church (UPC) here in the Cincinnati, Ohio area. My pastor was Bro. F.E. Curts. He was also the Dist. Supt. of the Ohio District.

He taught that "the blood is in the name." Therefore "the name" had to be called over the person being baptized in order to remit/remove sin. He taught that remission and forgiveness were two separate experiences. Based on John 20:23 in the KJV, he taught that we humans cannot forgive sin but we can remit sin by baptizing a person in Jesus' Name.
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I remember a story Bro. Curts told. It has been many years since I heard it so I may not have the details correct but I think I have the gist of it.

When the UPC and PAJC both met (separately) in St. Louis, Bro. Curts was teaching in a PAJC meeting. I think he had his large Tabernacle Chart there. A PCI brother asked the question, "When is the blood applied?" Bro. Curts pointed to different pieces of tabernacle furniture and said something about the blood being applied to the brazen altar, the laver, and all the other pieces of furniture and that there is no one place where the blood was applied. The brother said, "We need to talk" and that was part of the merger experience.
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