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Old 11-10-2007, 06:37 AM
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To most, it was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. TV in and of itself was not the only issue, just the one final issue that some feel took a slow moving land drift and started a downhill mudslide.

I have held the view from the inception of this latest ideological debate, that the real issue is a doctrinal divide which has been fermenting for a long time. JMO
That pretty much sums it up, JMO2.
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:36 AM
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To most, it was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. TV in and of itself was not the only issue, just the one final issue that some feel took a slow moving land drift and started a downhill mudslide.

I have held the view from the inception of this latest ideological debate, that the real issue is a doctrinal divide which has been fermenting for a long time. JMO
In response to this post I stand on my first one. This TV vote did nothing to the doctrine of the UPCI. Why was it the last straw? Why is it even an issue. It is about evangelism methods, not about changing doctrine.

I still have not seen an answer to that question that made much sense on why the org. has to divide or split.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:38 AM
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In response to this post I stand on my first one. This TV vote did nothing to the doctrine of the UPCI. Why was it the last straw? Why is it even an issue. It is about evangelism methods, not about changing doctrine.
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so true...so what's the big deal? LOL

I keep hearing in my area..."The UPC's allowing TV now!"

I'm like.." not exactly..."

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!"
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:40 AM
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According to what the DS of Mo. told the brethren there... This is an illegal meeting in the UPC... Because the DS of OKlahoma has not been contacted, neither has the Presbyter of the Tulsa area been contacted and so on... So if they are going about having it in a way that is not according to protocol, one would assume that something is going on other than just a innocent gathering...
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:53 AM
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According to what the DS of Mo. told the brethren there... This is an illegal meeting in the UPC... Because the DS of OKlahoma has not been contacted, neither has the Presbyter of the Tulsa area been contacted and so on... So if they are going about having it in a way that is not according to protocol, one would assume that something is going on other than just a innocent gathering...
They did call an inform GH of Tulsa. He pastors there though not part of the meeting proper.
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:19 AM
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I'll be so glad when Jan gets here and we can find out what is really going to happen. I feel as though my life is on hold until then.

Forget Thanksgiving and Christmas I can't wait until Jan. 24th.
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:32 AM
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I'll be so glad when Jan gets here and we can find out what is really going to happen. I feel as though my life is on hold until then.

Forget Thanksgiving and Christmas I can't wait until Jan. 24th.

Your life is on hold while waiting for others decisions? Why not make your own decision and choose your own path?
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:35 AM
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In response to this post I stand on my first one. This TV vote did nothing to the doctrine of the UPCI. Why was it the last straw? Why is it even an issue. It is about evangelism methods, not about changing doctrine.

I still have not seen an answer to that question that made much sense on why the org. has to divide or split.
JM, you are of course right.

The whole problem is - the radicals MAKE TV advertising an issue of "doctrine."

Let me share a memory with you.

I left the UPC ministry in 1991. I was out of touch for several years until message boards like this popped up.

I did muse to myself when the internet became widespread around 1997-99 that I just KNEW pentecostal preachers were up in arms about it and of course that the UPC had banned it and put the hammer down even harder on it than on television.

My thinking made sense: the internet is a cesspool 100 times worse than television.

Imagine my big surprise to find "ole time" pentecostal preachers all over the internet and message boards and to find that the internet was pretty much swallowed, hook, line and sinker by the tradtional oneness pentecostal movement.

It's quite simple, really.

No one is interested in making distinctions and applying principles. I have to admire the ultra-right wingers of the Canadian Plains for at least trying to apply principle and banning the internet.

But principle and consistency need not come knocking at the door in this era where the modern day pentecostal ministry made themselves a laughingstock by accepting the internet, continuing their ban on television and feebly attempting to codify and make a theology out of the attempt.

Whatever chance "ole time pentecost" had to become a relevant force in modern-day religion vanished with that fiasco.

People with any common sense now look at them - if they even take a long enough look - and shake their heads slowly with amusement and bemusement.

Bottom line: pentecostal preachers love their toys.

And their internet is the biggest toy of all.

Heck, I'm sure their feelings would be accurately summarized with a bumper sticker somewhat like the gun-nut crowd:

"You'll Take Away My Internet When You Pry It Out Of My Cold, Dead Hands."

And principle, consistency and rightness?

Who needs it?
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Your life is on hold while waiting for others decisions? Why not make your own decision and choose your own path?
Because Murray Burr wrote about 40 years ago: "The average Jesus-name preacher is a herd animal. He goes where the herd goes and he drinks where the herd drinks."

This guy is a sterling example that Burr was right.
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Your life is on hold while waiting for others decisions? Why not make your own decision and choose your own path?
I'd like to see just what paths are available for me.

As of right now I am just an ind. with a card or as some say a nonactive member of the UPC.
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