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[deltaguitar]

The whole purpose of this system is so that each individual can have his mix the way he wants it. The guy running the FOH board should have absolutely no control over your system.

Are you using in ear monitors or are you trying to use this system with wedges?

If you are using the wedges and the soundman turns down the house then you are probably thinking he is turning down your mix when all he is doing is lowering the house mix. This is a very common problem when singers or musicians can't tell the difference between the house mix and monitor mix.

Your best solution for 95% of all monitor mix problems is to lower overall stage volume and let the soundman push the house. You can spend thousands of dollars on monitor systems when all you really need is for your drummer, bass, or organ to turn down just a little.

[delta soundman]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

The whole purpose of this system is so that each individual can have his mix the way he wants it. The guy running the FOH board should have absolutely no control over your system.

Are you using in ear monitors or are you trying to use this system with wedges?

If you are using the wedges and the soundman turns down the house then you are probably thinking he is turning down your mix when all he is doing is lowering the house mix. This is a very common problem when singers or musicians can't tell the difference between the house mix and monitor mix.

Your best solution for 95% of all monitor mix problems is to lower overall stage volume and let the soundman push the house. You can spend thousands of dollars on monitor systems when all you really need is for your drummer, bass, or organ to turn down just a little.

Amen!! Wonder where you came up with that idea?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Amen!! Wonder where you came up with that idea?

Myself, fool!

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Amen!! Wonder where you came up with that idea?

the problem is that we have a really small sanctuary. The other problem is that I hate that solution. Even though it may be right.

The drummer has toned down.......the bass is sometimes non-existant. The main problem is that they cannot hear themselves, especially the base in their personal mixes.

What you said earlier about confusion between the wedge monitor mix volume and house volume may be partially true. Being really small it wouldn't be difficult to mistake a decrease in volume from one source to another.


I'm still checking on the feed question. One thing the system has done and that is taken the "live "aspect from our musicians and that has proven very difficult to get used to on multiple levels.

I would seriously not reccomend this system to a lively church, but rather the employment of a quality soundman.

[delta soundman]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Myself, fool!

You could be a pastor with that mentality, take someone else's idea,theory,plan,words, etc.....and make it your own.

[delta soundman]

Originally Posted by Kutless

the problem is that we have a really small sanctuary. The other problem is that I hate that solution. Even though it may be right.

The drummer has toned down.......the bass is sometimes non-existant. The main problem is that they cannot hear themselves, especially the base in their personal mixes.

What you said earlier about confusion between the wedge monitor mix volume and house volume may be partially true. Being really small it wouldn't be difficult to mistake a decrease in volume from one source to another.


I'm still checking on the feed question. One thing the system has done and that is taken the "live "aspect from our musicians and that has proven very difficult to get used to on multiple levels.

I would seriously not reccomend this system to a lively church, but rather the employment of a quality soundman.

No matter how good the mix is, 9 out of 10 times the mon mix will never sound as good as the house. If the mon mix ever sounds better than the house well, the platform is dictating too much. You need a strong soundman that cares 70% about the house and 30% about the platform. If you can ever get the house to not be battling the platform you got a good formula there. At my old church it took me about 6 months to beat into the heads of the platform that its not about you, it about the people on the pews. Give the people on the pews good quality and most of the time the rest will work itself out. Its a matter of quality over quantity. You can have all the quantity in the world and if the mix stinks all you will do is run people out of the building. If you have a qualified sound man, give him the leadway to get the house right. The he can get the mon to back up what you are hearing from the house. I know every setup is different and this advice might not be the best for your situation but, consider lowing the overall stage volume. Once the platform gets used to lower volume you have something to work with then. IMO
DS

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Kutless

the problem is that we have a really small sanctuary. The other problem is that I hate that solution. Even though it may be right.

The drummer has toned down.......the bass is sometimes non-existant. The main problem is that they cannot hear themselves, especially the base in their personal mixes.

What you said earlier about confusion between the wedge monitor mix volume and house volume may be partially true. Being really small it wouldn't be difficult to mistake a decrease in volume from one source to another.


I'm still checking on the feed question. One thing the system has done and that is taken the "live "aspect from our musicians and that has proven very difficult to get used to on multiple levels.

I would seriously not reccomend this system to a lively church, but rather the employment of a quality soundman.

Maybe you could tell us about your musicians. And what they are needing.
Does the bass player have an amp or is he going through the house.

One of the things that I have learned to deal with as a musician, is that what you are hearing from the monitor mix isn't what the folks are hearing from the house. You have to be able to trust your sound guy to deliver a decent mix.

Also, you will spend way to much time trying to get a perfect monitor mix when all you are trying to do is hear yourself and others. If you have a cordless mic try walking out and listening to the house mix while you play if you don't trust your soundman. You will find that is probably sounds pretty good.