Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 10-29-2007, 01:15 AM
Joseph Miller's Avatar
Joseph Miller Joseph Miller is offline
Da Evangelist


 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where ever I am preaching
Posts: 1,238
Is Blume an admin?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-29-2007, 01:20 AM
AmazingGrace AmazingGrace is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas,Tx
Posts: 6,978
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Miller View Post
Is Blume an admin?
no
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-29-2007, 01:22 AM
stmatthew's Avatar
stmatthew stmatthew is offline
Smiles everyone...Smiles!!


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sparta, TN
Posts: 2,399
I will move it over to the general section.

I would say sometimes it is simple ethics that would cause a Pastor not to want a neighboring Pastors saint coming to services. I think it is a good thing really, and you should simply talk to your Pastor about your need for more church.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-29-2007, 01:26 AM
AmazingGrace AmazingGrace is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas,Tx
Posts: 6,978
What do ya do when your not going back at all? Tell the pastor or just vanish LOL....

Justa question


I will state on this.. I have never visited another church without telling my pastor in advance.. thats just how this girl was raised... cant get it outta my system for some reason! But anywhere I would go.. my pastor would prolly hear bout it before I got back anywho so it doesnt matter! LOL
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-29-2007, 03:22 AM
Caston Smith
Guest


 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by nahkoe View Post
And I'm going to post at GNC as well..would like perspectives from both places.

Our church meets Sunday afternoon, at 2 pm. This leaves Sunday morning and evening free. Last week, my pastor preached in another church and I went. I liked what I saw there, as far as the church and their outreach etc.

Well, this week I'm sitting on some challenges and thought it might not be a bad idea to start the week out with an extra church service (I'd have done 2 extras if I thought my kids could handle it..3 services in one day w/o going home in btwn might not go so well tho..lol).

So I went to this other church. I'd called my pastor's wife last night to find out what time service was. I got a much cooler than anticipated welcome. MUCH cooler. I was a little surprised, but ok. I was there for God anyhow..not anyone else. I needed the sermon that was preached so all's well. Until I'm leaving. A woman came up to me and asked if I lived in that town. Nope I live in that other one. "I thought you came with Pastor B last week. We (that being the pastor's wife of this church and this woman) aren't so sure you should be here." Um. Why not? It's likely I'll be coming off and on more often. "Well you should really call your pastor and seek his counsel about that." Um ok. I did call his wife last night to find out what time service was. "Well you still should seek his counsel. He can counsel you on these things."

It took me the full half hour drive home to work myself down from really cranky to just letting that go. I sure could have let that get in the way of what God had for me at my church service. My pastor's wife did talk to me when I got there, asked if I'd gone. I told her what happened and told her I will not be asking permission from Pastor to go to another church at a time when we don't have a service. She said some churches wouldn't even LET ME ATTEND unless I had "permission" from my pastor.

HUH? She did explain, but I'm not really satisfied. I do love my pastor and his wife more than ever though, at least there's that. But, oh this whole thing just makes me feel ugly inside. I asked my pastor's wife if he's supposed to call the other pastor and tell them I'll be there. Or, why was I scolded without anyone even asking what my pastor had said? Of course, not knowing I needed my pastor's permission I wouldn't have said the right things anyhow.

Is this really common? WHY? Permission? Oh...you don't even know how that's never going to happen. Part of why I'd like to attend some other churches in the area is to make friends. Sure, I could befriend everyone in my church. In an evening. I already know I have very little in common with the women who are there, this is my church home and I'll wait patiently for it to grow and to then find a best friend sort of relationship, but in the meantime I could use a local friend in the church to hang out with sometimes. But now I need to go ask permission to make friends? I so do not think so. Oh no..not at all.

Could it be that you're really a sincere Christian and that lady didn't want you to be tagged or classified as a "church hopper" ... think of it in that perspective.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-29-2007, 03:26 AM
Joseph Miller's Avatar
Joseph Miller Joseph Miller is offline
Da Evangelist


 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where ever I am preaching
Posts: 1,238
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caston Smith View Post
Could it be that you're really a sincere Christian and that lady didn't want you to be tagged or classified as a "church hopper" ... think of it in that perspective.
dude that is the BEST post you have had on this entire forum. I am proud of you.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-29-2007, 03:29 AM
pelathais's Avatar
pelathais pelathais is offline
Accepts all friends requests


 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13,609
Quote:
Originally Posted by nahkoe View Post
And I'm going to post at GNC as well..would like perspectives from both places.

Our church meets Sunday afternoon, at 2 pm. This leaves Sunday morning and evening free. Last week, my pastor preached in another church and I went. I liked what I saw there, as far as the church and their outreach etc. ...

Is this really common? WHY? Permission? Oh...you don't even know how that's never going to happen. Part of why I'd like to attend some other churches in the area is to make friends. Sure, I could befriend everyone in my church. In an evening. I already know I have very little in common with the women who are there, this is my church home and I'll wait patiently for it to grow and to then find a best friend sort of relationship, but in the meantime I could use a local friend in the church to hang out with sometimes. But now I need to go ask permission to make friends? I so do not think so. Oh no..not at all.
This is one of those things for which there are a lot of rules but very little understanding.

The church you were visiting was probably concerned that they might be causing trouble by "stealing saints" or that your visit would make it look like they were.

The entrepreneurial style of evangelism practiced by many (if not most) Apostolics in North America dictates that each entrepreneur (pastor) respect the "downline" of his neighbors. Think of it as being an Amway or other multi-level marketing network. It operates the same way. To finance the "vision" that each pastor feels has been given to him by God, saints must be accumulated and their tithes harvested. More saints usually means more money.

And those saints must be protected from the influence of other entrepreneurs who have competing "visions." The less the entrepreneur's downline knows about the network, the quieter his life is likely to be.

Of course, most of this goes against the spirit of the Christian faith, so there is constant tension to try and fulfill the needs of the entrepreneur without coming right out and saying what it is that we're doing. Also, entrepreneurs appreciate fellowship with others of similar vision. And they have to play ball with the larger network in order to keep up appearances. But the whole system is so ingrained with the multi-level marketing paradigm that the needs of the individual pastor to protect his income is of paramount importance.

Fortunately there is a growing number of pastors who view their work as a "service" to the community and to the body of Christ. These folks will say things like, "these are God's people" and they will not tend to be harsh in their discipleship and will always have an open church door for anyone who wants to come.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-29-2007, 08:06 AM
chosenbyone's Avatar
chosenbyone chosenbyone is offline
The LORD will fight for you


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Lone Star State
Posts: 1,753
You had some good feedback from the other members regarding this situation. Casten's post probably gave the clearest reason why the ladies at the church you visited reacted the way they did when they found out you were a member from a neighboring church.

You should tell your pastor that you were just looking to meet friends, so there wouldn't be any misunderstanding that you were looking to leave the church. He should give you permission to continue and if he doesn't then I would pray long and hard for direction from God on the next step to take.
__________________


Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV)

"God sends no one away empty except those who are full of themselves." Dwight L. Moody
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-29-2007, 09:30 AM
nahkoe's Avatar
nahkoe nahkoe is offline
Mama to four little angels.


 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,053
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caston Smith View Post
Could it be that you're really a sincere Christian and that lady didn't want you to be tagged or classified as a "church hopper" ... think of it in that perspective.
This makes sense. In some sort of way...I can accept it at any rate even if it makes me crazy.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-29-2007, 09:32 AM
nahkoe's Avatar
nahkoe nahkoe is offline
Mama to four little angels.


 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,053
Wow. I see what you're saying andwow. I wish it wasn't so true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais View Post
Fortunately there is a growing number of pastors who view their work as a "service" to the community and to the body of Christ. These folks will say things like, "these are God's people" and they will not tend to be harsh in their discipleship and will always have an open church door for anyone who wants to come.
I'm very glad my pastor is among these. His open door goes both ways.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question? If you owe Trouvere Deep Waters 16 01-28-2012 10:10 AM
Sorry....another..TV Question Bro.Bob Fellowship Hall 45 09-04-2007 01:54 PM
Serious Question Nahum Deep Waters 565 04-30-2007 09:46 AM
Question... Barb Fellowship Hall 30 04-03-2007 11:21 PM
I have a serious question ? Joelel Fellowship Hall 93 03-23-2007 04:25 AM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.