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03-05-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
"Obeying not the Gospel" means somebody left their drill in the rain. God granted them salvation, but, because they chose to not obey the Lord .... well... they just lost out.
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Soooo, one just believes?
What about Baptism?
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03-05-2007, 07:01 PM
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Jesus is the Gospel ... He said "If you love me obey my commandments" ... through true faith in Jesus, the Good news ... His death and resurrection we are saved ... the results will be obedience.
1. ( Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
2. ( Rom. 3:20,28) - "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
3. ( Galatians 2:16) - "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
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03-05-2007, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron
Soooo, one just believes?
What about Baptism?
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must be obeyed like loving you neighbor, not forsaking the assembly of the brethren, living in holiness ... etc. etc. etc.
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03-05-2007, 07:03 PM
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Have we had this discussion before????
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03-05-2007, 07:13 PM
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Why are we Baptised?
To wash away our sins!
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
He that beleives "AND" is Baptised will be saved!
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Seems like just believing doesn't cut it, does it?
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03-05-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron
Why are we Baptised?
To wash away our sins!
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
He that beleives "AND" is Baptised will be saved!
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
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do YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE ... RON ????
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03-05-2007, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
do YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE ... RON ????
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Dan, I didn't ask you to respond, but I would love to hear you post (not twist)
scriptures that say that "Obedience" to the Gospel isn't nessecary to be saved.
Man if you can convince me-okay.
I have been living too straight, if I can do anything and still be saved!!
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03-05-2007, 07:18 PM
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The Gospel is the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ.
We obey Peter's command (& Jesus' as well) to repent and get baptized.
Then we receive the promise of Holy Spirit infilling. 
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Smiles & Blessings....
~Felicity Welsh~
(surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
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03-05-2007, 07:19 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Ron
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
I thought Salvation was a Gift?
Are we saved by "Grace," or is it in "Obedience" to the Gospel which is basically
"Works?" 
Come on you Armchair Quarter... er Theologians!
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Obedience to the gospel is NOT "basically works"....works is anything you can do apart from the gospel. Nor is the act or obedience itself something that saves you, but the faith at work IN that obedience is what is the factor.
Paul says
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
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03-05-2007, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Obedience to the gospel is NOT "basically works"....works is anything you can do apart from the gospel. Nor is the act or obedience itself something that saves you, but the faith at work IN that obedience is what is the factor.
Paul says
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. |
Couldn't have said it better . 
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